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#1 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:46 PM

To Vancouver: Martin Handzus

To San Jose: 4th Round Pick

(Can Throw Ebbett or Tockhin, exc. In if we need to ditch a contract)
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Handzus is the perfect replacement for Manny.

He is huge (6'5 215) He is great on faceoffs, great defensively, Can bring some offense aswell, and can step into the top 9 when needed. And he even helps in the shootouts (for the regular season) And he is a much better option than Dave Steckel.

His cap hit is 2.5 but he is a pending UFA so he would just be a rental.

Assets: Can be an effective shutdown center. Is a load to line up against at 6-5, 215 pounds. Plays solid defense and is also a capable playmaker. Excellent on face-offs, he can score timely goals.

Flaws: Lacks speed. Isn't very aggressive for a player with such an imposing frame. Unfortunately, he never reached his full potential on offense. Is declining in all facets of the game in the NHL.

Career Potential: Aging big center.


SJ will be fine, as they have plenty of Centers in the organization and some versatile wingers that can play center (Wingels, Pavelski, exc)

And if you don't think it is fair value for SJ, a Sharks fan and I already agreed to the deal on HF. :P

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 16 February 2013 - 07:23 PM.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:49 PM

If they would take I would do it
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 06:54 PM

Handzus has taken more faceoffs than any other Shark, he's a lot more valuable to them than a fourth rounder.

This trade doesn't make any sense for the Sharks, just because they have some players that could play that role doesn't mean they should just give up good depth for a fourth rounder.

Edited by Beluga Whale, 16 February 2013 - 06:58 PM.

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#4 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:18 PM

Handzus has taken more faceoffs than any other Shark, he's a lot more valuable to them than a fourth rounder.

This trade doesn't make any sense for the Sharks, just because they have some players that could play that role doesn't mean they should just give up good depth for a fourth rounder.


Well apparently SJ fans feel differently:

http://hfboards.hock...d.php?t=1351533

http://hfboards.hock...d.php?t=1351547

I know he does take there most important faceoffs, but apperently there line-up is currently:

Marleau - Thornton - Pavelski
Clowe - Couture - Kennedy
Gomez - Handzus - Wingels
Galliardi - Burish - Havlat

Gomez can slide over, and they also have Thornton and Couture both LHs capable of taking big draws.

If everyone can play to there capabilities:

Marleau - Thornton - Pavelski
Clowe - Couture - Havlat
Galliardi - Gomez - Wingels/Kennedy
Desjardens - Burish - Wingels/Kennedy

Still looks pretty good to me.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 16 February 2013 - 07:22 PM.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:31 PM

I wouldn't object. Handzus is a big boy, would look good on 2nd PP B)
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:38 PM

Not bad, but would the Canucks not prefer more of a long-term center?
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:40 PM

We gave two 4th round picks for Palhsson(I think this is how his name is spelled like) so maybe 2 4ths for handzus
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:45 PM

We gave two 4th round picks for Palhsson(I think this is how his name is spelled like) so maybe 2 4ths for handzus


I think a single 3rd would suffice.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 07:50 PM

Lets stop trading for garbage.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:04 PM

Lets stop trading for garbage.

Handzus is not garbage
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:10 PM

Handzus is quite well into his age, but I believe he'll excel in faceoffs for any team.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:15 PM

Not bad, but would the Canucks not prefer more of a long-term center?


No we need someone who can take on the role Manny had. We have plenty of centers in the pipeline that will need to crack the line-up at some point. (Schreoder, Gaunce, Mallet, Labate, exc.)


Lets stop trading for garbage.


He's not garbage. It something we need. and its a very small price to pay for what could be a big help in the playoffs.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:22 PM

No we need someone who can take on the role Manny had. We have plenty of centers in the pipeline that will need to crack the line-up at some point. (Schreoder, Gaunce, Mallet, Labate, exc.)




He's not garbage. It something we need. and its a very small price to pay for what could be a big help in the playoffs.


Why not use this opportunity to acquire a healthy, young center like Bozak in exchange of Luongo?
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:23 PM

Why not use this opportunity to acquire a healthy, young center like Bozak in exchange of Luongo?

No. Just no.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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#15 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:26 PM

Why not use this opportunity to acquire a healthy, young center like Bozak in exchange of Luongo?


Cause Toronto likely won't trade him, and he is also a pending UFA.

And the point of Handzus is to keep JS as the 3C, and have a faceoff guy that can move up and play in important situations, Bozak would push Schroeder down the Wolves.

He is a UFA anyways, just no real reason to do it, we just need a LH faceoff guy.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 10:51 PM

Handzus is older now than Pahlsson was when we acquired him and is doing worse than Pahlsson statistically despite being on a better team. Where the hell is the appeal? Pahlsson was solid on faceoffs and defensively too.

There needs to be better justification for trading away picks on players like this. I'm tired of them pissing their picks away. The Canucks have been doing it for at least a decade now.
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Posted 16 February 2013 - 11:28 PM

Handzus is older now than Pahlsson was when we acquired him and is doing worse than Pahlsson statistically despite being on a better team. Where the hell is the appeal? Pahlsson was solid on faceoffs and defensively too.

There needs to be better justification for trading away picks on players like this. I'm tired of them pissing their picks away. The Canucks have been doing it for at least a decade now.


We are talking about a single 4th. He might even come cheaper who knows.

The fact remains we need a LH center who can take important draws and kill penalties.

Handzus is 1st on the sharks in blocked shots, has a higher faceoffs % then Pahlsson did last year and has taken a greater % of his teams draws, thats on a team with more options for key faceoffs, and he is leading them.

His shooting % is also higher than Pahlssons.

Handzus also is the same age as Pahlsson. Both were drafted in 97. He is bigger and better offensively.

If one measly 4th is all it takes at most (When we have already filled picks with UFA signings in the past) to get something we need for the playoffs, I'm all for it.

Edited by Smashian Kassian, 18 February 2013 - 08:26 PM.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:36 AM

Why don't we just ask to borrow players from other teams? Trade a 2nd for Tavares on the condition that we must trade him back to the Islanders for a 3rd. We get Tavares for the playoff run, and the Islanders improve their pick from a 3rd-2nd for no big loss. This is flawless, right?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:49 AM

Why don't we just ask to borrow players from other teams? Trade a 2nd for Tavares on the condition that we must trade him back to the Islanders for a 3rd. We get Tavares for the playoff run, and the Islanders improve their pick from a 3rd-2nd for no big loss. This is flawless, right?



Yeah, it could become a total strategy, like

Vancouver & Chicago are looking like they'll face off in the 1st round potentially, and Edmonton wants Vancouver to have a long run because they don't want them to get a high-ish draft pick, because that would make them more competitive for more seasons, so they deal Hall & RNH to the Canucks for a run, and in that way their young guns get some playoff experience is well, right?
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:52 AM

Yeah, it could become a total strategy, like

Vancouver & Chicago are looking like they'll face off in the 1st round potentially, and Edmonton wants Vancouver to have a long run because they don't want them to get a high-ish draft pick, because that would make them more competitive for more seasons, so they deal Hall & RNH to the Canucks for a run, and in that way their young guns get some playoff experience is well, right?


OMG we are geniuses. Why haven't any GMs done this yet?!?! We're going to revolutionize trading in the NHL!!!
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#21 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 12:54 AM

Yeah, it could become a total strategy, like

Vancouver & Chicago are looking like they'll face off in the 1st round potentially, and Edmonton wants Vancouver to have a long run because they don't want them to get a high-ish draft pick, because that would make them more competitive for more seasons, so they deal Hall & RNH to the Canucks for a run, and in that way their young guns get some playoff experience is well, right?

OMG we are geniuses. Why haven't any GMs done this yet?!?! We're going to revolutionize trading in the NHL!!!


You guys are simply brilliant.

I'll get MG on the phone right away. :)
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 01:10 AM

No. Just no.


Back up your reason? I don't know why we should get Handzus, when we can use our assets to acquire younger centers.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 01:17 AM

Back up your reason? I don't know why we should get Handzus, when we can use our assets to acquire younger centers.

You're proposing we trade an elite goalie who is playing amazingly good right now in exchange for a center who is a free agent in 5 months. I hope I'm not the only one that picked up that obvious flaw.
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In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 17 February 2013 - 01:20 AM

You're proposing we trade an elite goalie who is playing amazingly good right now in exchange for a center who is a free agent in 5 months. I hope I'm not the only one that picked up that obvious flaw.


Good point. Next time, instead of "no"ing me, back up your statement. I like that.
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Posted 17 February 2013 - 07:55 PM

Just think of what you would give up Malhotra for, when he was still healthy. Then that's roughly what we would have to give up.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:03 PM

We are talking about a single 4th. He might even come cheaper who knows.

The fact remains we need a LH center who can take important draws and kill penalties.

Handzus is 1st on the sharks in blocked shots, has a higher faceoffs % then Pahlsson did last year and has taken a greater % of his teams draws, thats on a team with more options for key faceoffs, and he is leading them.

His shooting % is also higher than Pahlssons.

Handzus also is the same age as Pahlsson. Both were born in 97. He is bigger and better offensively.

If one measly 4th is all it takes at most (When we have already filled picks with UFA signings in the past) to get something we need for the playoffs, I'm all for it.


Didn't know Handzus and Pahlsson were 15 years old.

I'd do it, but I think they would want a bit more.
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:26 PM

Didn't know Handzus and Pahlsson were 15 years old.

I'd do it, but I think they would want a bit more.


Haha whoops meant drafted*
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