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#31 Mookie Wilson

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:51 AM

Everyone is forgetting that they could also take him to salary arbitration after the 2 years are up, if his performance doesn't come close to justifying the tariff.


I believe a player has to be qualified before he can be taken to arbitration. If the player is not qualified, and if the two sides don't negotiate a contract on their own, then the player walks as a UFA.

So the Avs better hope they can repair their relationship with ROR.
Otherwise they will likely be forced to give him a one-year, 6.5M qualifying offer (which ROR would likely sign, as otherwise he goes to an arbitrator who will likely award him less) or let him walk.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:04 AM

elvis/qwijibo - that's a really interesting point that I hadn't considered (sorry, I wasn't following the other O'Reilly stuff too closely). But was that the intended timing of the offer sheet, to bypass a regular season trade deadline?

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:15 AM

elvis/qwijibo - that's a really interesting point that I hadn't considered (sorry, I wasn't following the other O'Reilly stuff too closely). But was that the intended timing of the offer sheet, to bypass a regular season trade deadline?


I doubt any of us here can speak to Feaster's subjective intentions, but it's likely that is the case. It seems the Flames did their best to structure the offer in a way that made it difficult for the Avs to match, without making it a long-term, lucrative deal.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:55 AM

what i dont get is the avalanche didnt want to give oreilly a reasonable contract they wanted him to take a cheap deal like duchene did.

yet this is the same team that had no problem giving david Jones a 4 year 16million dollar deal...

O'reilly is far more valuable and has more upside than Jones. Definitely think Colorado Management made a mistake with the way they handled things

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:53 AM

I believe a player has to be qualified before he can be taken to arbitration. If the player is not qualified, and if the two sides don't negotiate a contract on their own, then the player walks as a UFA.

So the Avs better hope they can repair their relationship with ROR.
Otherwise they will likely be forced to give him a one-year, 6.5M qualifying offer (which ROR would likely sign, as otherwise he goes to an arbitrator who will likely award him less) or let him walk.



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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:37 AM

http://www.sportsnet...h_ryan_oreilly/

Haha wow, in summary O'reilly would have had to clear waivers first before coming to Calgary. Essentially they would have traded a 1st and a 3rd while someone picks him up. Feaster may lose his job after this debacle

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:37 AM

elvis/qwijibo - that's a really interesting point that I hadn't considered (sorry, I wasn't following the other O'Reilly stuff too closely). But was that the intended timing of the offer sheet, to bypass a regular season trade deadline?

I'm sure it was at least an extra roadblock designed to make the Avs consider whether or not they wanted to match, or at least rush the decision rather than weigh their options for the full 7 days. The Flames were taking the same risk as well, as if the Avs decided they didn't want to match but waited the whole 7 days to make that decision, then Calgary would be similarly stuck if they wanted to move him at next year's deadline.

Having said that, 2014 is Sochi, and if the NHL'ers participate it's likely the deadline is a little later like it was in 2010 (Mar 3) so we'll have to see what the date is for if this actually affects the Avs or not for their options after a calendar year has passed.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:15 PM

http://www.sportsnet...h_ryan_oreilly/

Haha wow, in summary O'reilly would have had to clear waivers first before coming to Calgary. Essentially they would have traded a 1st and a 3rd while someone picks him up. Feaster may lose his job after this debacle

Oh man I so wish the Avs didn't match... this would have been a laugh riot to watch.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:30 PM

Wow, epic fail.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:33 PM

I wished the Avs didn't match and watch o'reilly get claimed by the nucks . Most epic fail by the flames in NHL history.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:35 PM

I wished the Avs didn't match and watch o'reilly get claimed by the nucks . Most epic fail by the flames in NHL history.

0 Chance he would have made it to the Canucks claim... So many other teams would have put in claims

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:39 PM

Imagine if the flames ended last place in the nhl, they would lose McKinnon or jones plus a third and o'reilly for nothing.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:55 PM

0 Chance he would have made it to the Canucks claim... So many other teams would have put in claims


Canucks mighta had first dibs if Avs walked away right after Patti was claimed actually

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:58 PM

http://www.sportsnet...h_ryan_oreilly/

Haha wow, in summary O'reilly would have had to clear waivers first before coming to Calgary. Essentially they would have traded a 1st and a 3rd while someone picks him up. Feaster may lose his job after this debacle


Colorado should have let him walk just to screw the flames over. That would have been good. This day gets better and better. Fan 960 in Calgary yesterday acted like the flames just changed their franchise around, no way Colorado would match it and the flames would be contending for this year and years to come. Today the mood has completely changed. I wish Colorado didn't match and have the flames end up losing a top 5 pick.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:03 PM

Canucks mighta had first dibs if Avs walked away right after Patti was claimed actually


Pretty sure that's not how it works. The only player Vancouver gets first dibs on is Volpatti should Washington put him back on waivers. For every other player it still goes by standings.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:07 PM

Colorado should have let him walk just to screw the flames over. That would have been good. This day gets better and better. Fan 960 in Calgary yesterday acted like the flames just changed their franchise around, no way Colorado would match it and the flames would be contending for this year and years to come. Today the mood has completely changed. I wish Colorado didn't match and have the flames end up losing a top 5 pick.


I can't imagine the Avs knew that he would have to go through waivers. If they knew I imagine they would have waited the full week to decide, tank that week and would have hoped to get below Columbus to have first dibs. At the deadline to match, if they're not last in the league, they match it. If they are, free 1st and 3rd while retaining O'Reilly.

EDIT: Even if they're 2nd last I think they would chance it. Odds are he doesn't get by Columbus, but even then I don't think they would have that much of a problem with it. They get a 1st and a 3rd for somebody who isn't going to help a division rival.

Edited by Kyosama, 01 March 2013 - 03:09 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:09 PM

The Flames, haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:11 PM

Reporter: Honestly what are the chances O'Reilly would have been pick up on waivers anyways Jay?

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:11 PM

Flames are glad Av's matched LOL

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:19 PM

How epic wou

I can't imagine the Avs knew that he would have to go through waivers. If they knew I imagine they would have waited the full week to decide, tank that week and would have hoped to get below Columbus to have first dibs. At the deadline to match, if they're not last in the league, they match it. If they are, free 1st and 3rd while retaining O'Reilly.

EDIT: Even if they're 2nd last I think they would chance it. Odds are he doesn't get by Columbus, but even then I don't think they would have that much of a problem with it. They get a 1st and a 3rd for somebody who isn't going to help a division rival.


Those picks would have likely been top-5 of their respective rounds to boot.

How epic would that have been?! Too bad...

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:26 PM

How epic wou

Those picks would have likely been top-5 of their respective rounds to boot.

How epic would that have been?! Too bad...


I don't think the Flames are that bad, but the picks would definitely be higher than they would be if the Flames had got O'Reilly. I think that was the Avs logic in matching; O'Reilly would make the pick less valuable because he would lead them to better stats, and Calgary is a divisional rival. If it were Columbus who gave him the offer sheet, or a team equally as bad as Calgary in the East, I don't think they match it. Not in this draft.

Edited by Kyosama, 01 March 2013 - 03:28 PM.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 04:44 PM

Canucks mighta had first dibs if Avs walked away right after Patti was claimed actually

No, they wouldn't have. It doesn't matter if we'd just had a player claimed off waivers, it doesn't change the order for teams who would get a chance to claim him.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

I don't think the Flames are that bad, but the picks would definitely be higher than they would be if the Flames had got O'Reilly. I think that was the Avs logic in matching; O'Reilly would make the pick less valuable because he would lead them to better stats, and Calgary is a divisional rival. If it were Columbus who gave him the offer sheet, or a team equally as bad as Calgary in the East, I don't think they match it. Not in this draft.

My point was how glorious would it have been had the Flames lost both the high picks and O'Reilly to Colorado (had they been in a position to claim him).

To Colorado: Calgary 2013 1st, Calgary 2013 3rd & Ryan O'Reilly

To Calgary: A fired Jay Feaster and $10m worth of egg on face.

Kassian.... Taylor Pyatt 3.0

Lies. He's more of a Steve Bernier. Hopefully his talent level goes up so he can become like a Taylor Pyatt.


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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:09 PM

No, they wouldn't have. It doesn't matter if we'd just had a player claimed off waivers, it doesn't change the order for teams who would get a chance to claim him.


Unless the person put on waivers is the one you lost to waivers. In which case you have first dibs.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:11 PM

My point was how glorious would it have been had the Flames lost both the high picks and O'Reilly to Colorado (had they been in a position to claim him).

To Colorado: Calgary 2013 1st, Calgary 2013 3rd & Ryan O'Reilly

To Calgary: A fired Jay Feaster and $10m worth of egg on face.


Yeah it wouldn't have been pretty. I would have genuinely felt bad, and still feel bad, for Feaster in this situation. Such an easy thing to overlook and there was no mention of it by anyone prior to the offer sheet.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:37 PM

Lmao Feaster looks like a tool now.

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 05:49 PM

Unless the person put on waivers is the one you lost to waivers. In which case you have first dibs.

Sure, but we were talking specifically about if O'Reilly went on waivers.

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