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#1 EagleShield

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 07:28 AM

For a start, I'm not talking about last night. He was solid, if unspectacular, and deserves that we hold of judgement till he gets a few more games played.

But this guy was drafted behind only Ovi and Geno in 2004. 8 years later he's getting released from an AHL PTO and signing for next to nothing (in hockey contract terms) for the Canucks.

I know it was generally quite a weak draft (Schneider really should have gone top 10, if not top 5), but how can a guy so highly rated amount to almost nothing. Was it that he was way too good for Junior, but just didn't have the athleticism or hockey-brain for the bigs? Was it laziness/attitude? Or was it horrendous misjudgement by dozens of scouts?

I really hope, for his sake and ours, we can sort out whatever it is and turn him into the player he apparently had so much promise to be.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 07:31 AM

For the thousandth time....he was not released. He signed a 25 game contract, and actually impressed.

He has had a 40 point year...the ability is definitely there. I think its more outside the rink issues that affected him.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 07:38 AM

Big guy D man who played physical and had a good offensive upside.

Some players just don't have the drive to maintain what their draft ranking, money, fame, partying and long summers do that to a person.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 07:49 AM

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:23 AM

I heard injuries had a part in it. Something that affected his skating and turning,
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:23 AM

For the thousandth time....he was not released. He signed a 25 game contract, and actually impressed.


A contract which was not extended. Which is basically a release, unless he had the offer from Gillis and decided not to renew with Texas.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:25 AM

A contract which was not extended. Which is basically a release, unless he had the offer from Gillis and decided not to renew with Texas.


It was not extended because he wanted to see if he'd get a tryout on an NHL club when the lockout ended.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:35 AM

He was pretty good in Chicago when he played with Brian Campbell, i see no reason why he can't get back to that with garrisson or edler
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 08:52 AM

Cam Neely, Selected by Vancouver Canucks round 1 #9 overall 1983 NHL Entry Draft, yet did next to nothing in his 3 years with us - traded to Boston and becomes great...

Maybe the same with this Cam, just needs to be on the right team.

Edited by Heretic, 04 March 2013 - 08:53 AM.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 09:01 AM

got traded by team that won stanley cup a few months later, got injured , got depressed, liked to have some beers, as most Canadian boys in the 20's

now he has matured, is re- focused, been laying low and working out, in the best shape he's been in years.

thought Barker looked very solid last night.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:12 AM

Barker looked great last night. Tentative at first but he settled in quick and did not play poorly at all. The guy kept getting shots to the net and giving other players chances. Some of the top defense man on the Canucks have struggled to do even that.
Barker fit well last night and in my view exposed some some of the other defense man that he was playing with. One couldn't blame Ballard for anything, he wasn't on the ice.
Why on earth did it take AV this long to put Barker in? In some ways I thought Barker played better than Garrison last night. Once again Gillis has acquired assets for AV to win with and AV shelves it. Last night was the first time AV used Barker.
My observation is added to a growing number of people thinking the problems aren't so much on the ice than behind the bench.

Barker is big and more mobile than I thought. I remember him in Chicago, I loathed the guy. AV you need to use this guy more so other teams fans and players loath him for all the right reasons. He'll never get the chance if you don't play him.

Can Barker a pleasant surprise from last nights game.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:29 AM

for sitting out as many games as he did, I think Barker played decent last night.

In his own zone he seemed to not know where to be a couple times but give the guy some slack.

What I really liked was when he awas in the offensive zone. He was able to get the puck through and on net. They werent hard shots, but it allowed for a chance at a rebound.

He played 15 minutes, had an even rating, 2 shots on goal and got an assist. I couldnt have asked or expected anymore from him.

Overall I thought he played a fairly decent game, and would like to see him tomorrow, but having 4.2m in Ballard sit doesnt make any sense whatsoever either
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:01 PM

The reason Barker's career has gone they way its gone cannot be disscussed here.

Personal reasons.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:04 PM

I guess he was one of those players whose talent it junior didn't quite translate over to the NHL - similar to someone like Gilbert Brule. But I refuse to believe that his chance is gone. A person doesn't simply lose that talent. I hope the Canucks give him more chances to play up to his potential
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 01:18 PM

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I can understand asking for civility but concern about how players adjust to the NHL lifestyle and wealth from pro contracts does have an impact on ice performance. Not something to dwell on.

The Canucks use sports physcologists and I suspect their sessions might go beyond maximizing mind over physical play. Exploring the mental aspect of the game with each player has real implications for a team's performance. An example would be the Flyers and Bruins who cultivate a physical, intimidating brand of hockey. Many veteran players get credit from rookies about how they show how to be a professional. Manny was credited for doing this with a number of young Canucks.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 03:55 PM

I guess he was one of those players whose talent it junior didn't quite translate over to the NHL - similar to someone like Gilbert Brule. But I refuse to believe that his chance is gone. A person doesn't simply lose that talent. I hope the Canucks give him more chances to play up to his potential


But it did translate. Look at his stats in his last 3 years with the Hawks.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

He was pretty good in Chicago when he played with Brian Campbell, i see no reason why he can't get back to that with garrisson or edler


I would argue against that point. He was awful in chicago. Easily our most inconsistent d man. Frustrating turnovers and soft for a bigger bodied guy. Always more interested in playing offense and at times acted like a winger instead. The fact that the hawks were able to flip him for leddy astounds me.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 05:19 PM

hope he takes his chance with the nucks seriously what better way to get your game back then get a chance on a good team.
what was the last team he played on Edmonton or something i mean k'mon he couldn't have been the only reason they sucked.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:10 PM

He least he has won a cup
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:20 PM

He least he has won a cup


Nope. He got traded a few months before the Hawks won.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:22 PM

He suffered from drug and alcohol abuse.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:12 AM

Barker looked great last night. Tentative at first but he settled in quick and did not play poorly at all. The guy kept getting shots to the net and giving other players chances. Some of the top defense man on the Canucks have struggled to do even that.
Barker fit well last night and in my view exposed some some of the other defense man that he was playing with. One couldn't blame Ballard for anything, he wasn't on the ice.
Why on earth did it take AV this long to put Barker in? In some ways I thought Barker played better than Garrison last night. Once again Gillis has acquired assets for AV to win with and AV shelves it. Last night was the first time AV used Barker.
My observation is added to a growing number of people thinking the problems aren't so much on the ice than behind the bench.

Barker is big and more mobile than I thought. I remember him in Chicago, I loathed the guy. AV you need to use this guy more so other teams fans and players loath him for all the right reasons. He'll never get the chance if you don't play him.

Can Barker a pleasant surprise from last nights game.


i thought so too


for sitting out as many games as he did, I think Barker played decent last night.

In his own zone he seemed to not know where to be a couple times but give the guy some slack.

What I really liked was when he awas in the offensive zone. He was able to get the puck through and on net. They werent hard shots, but it allowed for a chance at a rebound.

He played 15 minutes, had an even rating, 2 shots on goal and got an assist. I couldnt have asked or expected anymore from him.

Overall I thought he played a fairly decent game, and would like to see him tomorrow, but having 4.2m in Ballard sit doesnt make any sense whatsoever either


yup
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 12:16 AM

with exception of the first 2 picks, the 2004 draft will come down as 1 of the worst drafts in 20 years. Ironically in Vancouver's point of view, it's one of our most successful drafts, with all the players playing in the NHL except for one player.

I heard Cam Barker also smoked a pack day. Not sure about now, this was reported by some Oilers fans.
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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:04 PM

with exception of the first 2 picks, the 2004 draft will come down as 1 of the worst drafts in 20 years. Ironically in Vancouver's point of view, it's one of our most successful drafts, with all the players playing in the NHL except for one player.

I heard Cam Barker also smoked a pack day. Not sure about now, this was reported by some Oilers fans.

Kind of reminds me of the 1999 draft. Maybe the worst draft in NHL history, but yet, we still got 2 of our best players in team history from it.

Edited by The Nuckian One., 05 March 2013 - 04:05 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:06 PM

I think barker just had a bit of a streak of bad luck, he showed he can play in the NHL when he was in chicago so the talent is there
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