BigRedMachine Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Cup Finals, Presidents, Lost to eventual cup winner 4/5 years... you're correct those are the fans that are delusional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 ummm......let's see.....basically that all the stars have to align perfectly for the Canucks to have the same chance as a quarter of the league to win the cup according to this writer.......yes, clearly the Canucks are much better this season than they ever have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I never interpreted that at all. He's saying that to date, the Canucks have posted the 3rd best even strength puck possession numbers. They did it without Kesler and Booth - who are 2 of their best puck possession players. When Kesler returns, if he can be even 75% of what he used to be, they have as good a chance as 5/6 other clubs to win Stanley. This guys not a psychic, he's not written an article detailing who will win the Cup. No one knows that. He's saying strong puck possession numbers and goaltending have strongly correlated to winning hockey games on a consistent basis over a long period of time. We've seen those type of teams win the Cup. That's what he's saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I'd have to agree. I posted this in a different thread, but the numbers support this Canucks team being better than previous years - even without Kesler/Booth. Here's the article from Canucks Army detailing this teams underlying statistics: http://canucksarmy.c...e-half-way-mark It details the Canucks being one of the top 3 puck possession teams in the league. Say what you will about advanced stats, but dominant puck possession teams have won Stanley - LA, Boston and Det in previous yrs. Canucks accomplished this without 2 of their best puck possession players in the lineup - Booth and Kesler. I know everyone's crapping the bed about the horrible PP this yr, but we all know and have witnessed PPs going extinct in the playoffs. They're not a tool for the playoffs, they're a tool for the reg season. You HAVE to be a strong even strength team with good goaltending in this league to be successful. They're not getting the goaltending now, but they will over time given who occupies their crease. They're getting some bad luck and poor efforts right now, they will bounce back - it's inevitable IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksSayEh Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 fluery, won a cup and also selected first overall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Unfortunately the Canucks history says hi....... All the skill in the world tends to mean nothing in the playoffs without heart.......and unfortunately for this writer ad you I guess as well, that is something that cannot be measured as a stat..... And no one in their right mind can suggest this team has very much heart at all...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 No one in their right mind could make such a misguided statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Kesler sucked last year when he was healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 And yet we haven't, so why is this stat worth mentioning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 No one in their right mind could make such a misguided statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 lol....wtf are you talking about? Entitled to what? A team that actually puts in the hard work it takes to win? Yes, clearly that is too much for any fan to expect.....idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 so why have a players only meeting then? I'm sorry but that's a pretty damning sign that the players themselves acknowledge there is something wrong with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I understand your concern about this team given their current record. I was pretty concerned at one point as well. But I strongly disagree this team doesn't have heart. They've collectively dealt with more adversity than any other NHL team in the last few years - yet they continue to win a lot of games including a run to the SCF with a roster full of injured players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunningWild Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I would love to hear all the examples of how this team has had it so much worse than any other NHL team the last few years. Come on. That just is not true. They have played in a cakewalk division and coasted to a playoff spot with home ice advantage. They have not had to fight through anything in the regular season at all. In the playoffs they scraped by Chicago and gave up when things got tough against the Bruins. Sure they had injuries and such....but that is when true heart shows up...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 so why have a players only meeting then? I'm sorry but that's a pretty damning sign that the players themselves acknowledge there is something wrong with the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackberries Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Please elaborate. What leads you to believe this meeting isn't something like just going over video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Yes, that is too much to expect. You're ungrateful for the fact that there even is a Canucks team, let alone a damn good one. Some of us didn't hop on the bandwagon because of a cup run. We watched because we loved the game. If you love it so much, as I'm sure you will claim, why are you so quick to piss on the efforts of men blocking 100mph shots? I haven't seen you post a damn thing until the team had a couple losses, then you're like a fly on pigcrap. Do you know any pro hockey players? I mean really know them, know how hard they work and how impressive even the crappiest fourth liner is? I do and that's why I watch our team play. Because what they do is pure magic on the ice. But you've got no concept of what it takes to do that, and you see it night after night, so you imagine it's not so hard and that they should just "try harder". Appalling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallstreetamigo Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 I was referring to the deaths of Rypien and Bourdon, Mannys possible career ending eye injury, Pyatts wife etc. I'm not trying to change your mind, it's clearly made up. Just a reminder there are other things to consider - strong underlying numbers are one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 Called a meeting to watch a replay of the Hawks getting "exposed".... by the AVs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted March 10, 2013 Share Posted March 10, 2013 This team. 2013's team. Not 2011, not 1994, not 1982. If you think they've shown heart this year I want some of what your smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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