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Why are most of you against trading draft picks?

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Yes, they should especially with AV as their head coach as any talented draft pick will be stuck on the fourth line and traded away.

No, if they fire they coach and bring in someone who can coach rookies

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Ummm. . . there may be drawbacks to Vancouver as far as fanbase and location go, but you cannot argue that it has been an unattractive destination for free agents. Not to mention our excellent track record of retaining high-end talent. There has barely been a year in the last five that the canucks have not signed a significant player, often at well below market price. Whether MG has been able to do that "in spite of Vancouver" or by marketing Vancouver well, you be the judge.

A few players acquired through free agency: Hamhuis (most sought after D-man that year), Garrison (top-pairing D-man on most teams, 1st unit PP, signed at 4.6 - look at performance and price of comperables that year) , Sundin (absolutely the biggest name available in free agency that year).

A few players re-signed: Sedins, Kesler, Bieksa, Edler, Burrows (twice), Luongo, Schneider

Not only that, look at the cap hit on these deals; in all cases but Sundin (and arguably Luongo) these have been really cap-friendly signings with very reasonable terms. I'd say MG is a player-signing juggernaut compared to most GMs. That or Vancouver isn't really so bad.

What is your basis of comparison for success? Nashville and NJ could not retain star players last season despite offering equal money. Is Minnesota that much nicer of a place to live? Anaheim is a pretty nice place to live, but 8.5+ for Getzlaf or Perry? Makes Parise look like a deal - thats not a hometown discount. Guys only want to play for contenders? Detroit, that most renowned team of perrenial playoff contention, whiffed on Suter. . . wait. . . can you name any significant player that Detroit picked up last year? Surely the prospect of playing with Datsyuk and Zetterberg isnt so bad.

I agree that that there are more attractive destinations than Vancouver, but not many. NYR, probably Boston. Pittsburg. San Jose, sure. LA perhaps. Chicago.

To suggest that we haven't been able to sign talent is blatently wrong.

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Teams draft for depth and according to needs. If you can get NHL calibre players year in and year out, you are doing well. Star players are icing on the cake, they are not a yearly occurrence. When you draft players, you get a chance to shape their future and to inculcate them into your team's culture. Drafting players and addressing the long-term needs of your team is IMO far cheaper than throwing money at FAs in the hopes that they choose your offer. College FAs are a crap shoot any year, with the decent ones getting boatloads of attention from many teams. Not an easy sign.

We need all aspects of player recruitment to build a successful franchise, to rely on just one would be detrimental to the organization. Many successful and even star NHLers have been drafted in the 20-30 slot and way beyond.

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The way I see it, a potential 10-12 years of service from a draft pick >>>>>>>> a 2 month rental (I'm talking 1st and 2nd round picks).

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Time and time again I read "I wouldn't trade a first round pick for *insert veteran player who is a proven playoff performer*". Really? How often do 1st round draft picks REALLY pan out? Seriously, unless it's a top 5 picks, who cares? There is just a s good of a chance that a 3rd round pick will be as successful; as a first round pick. We realistically have a 2 year window here where we could contend for a cup, now is not the time to be worried about draft picks. Please explain yourselves :sadno:

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More often than not, we get hosed when we trade picks. I hate trading picks. The idea, I even hate the idea of trading picks.

Pittsburgh doesn't trade picks. They trade prospects that they draft with those picks after determining what they have as spare, what they need in the future. Since they've started approaching like that, they seem to be in contention every year. The one year that they traded their first, second and 4th (08?) and a canoe full of young players for Hossa, dupuis and hal gill. They didn't win the cup, losing to Detroit in those finals, with "Vigneault's protegé" getting outcoached pretty badly by Babcock. So badly that Hossa went to go play for them instead. And then lost again... to the penguins, coached by Bylsma this time.

Detroit usually drafts as well.

Perennial contenders are drafting teams. Except for Edmonton.

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Time and time again I read "I wouldn't trade a first round pick for *insert veteran player who is a proven playoff performer*". Really? How often do 1st round draft picks REALLY pan out? Seriously, unless it's a top 5 picks, who cares? There is just a s good of a chance that a 3rd round pick will be as successful; as a first round pick. We realistically have a 2 year window here where we could contend for a cup, now is not the time to be worried about draft picks. Please explain yourselves :sadno:

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Kesler, Schneider, Sedin, Sedin, Schroeder, were first round picks. Edler, Hansen, Raymond, and Bieksa all draft picks too. Hmm they are all core part of the team with the exception of the the rookie Schroeder. All draft picks are important cause they essentially form the core of your team. Pittsburgh, Chicago, Anaheim, Boston and all top teams are led by core players from the draft, thats how you build a winner!

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Our too players are almost past their prime. This means we need top new players to come in and take over as the top six or too three forwards in two to four years. The only way to do this is draft well and bring players up through our farm system. We already are in the bottom three in the league for prospects and if we start trading away our picks that won't improve our situation. Do we need a top six/top nine player, yes. But at what cost? If we trade away picks and that player ends up being a waste, then not only do we lose our chance at the cup in the next couple years, we are looking at a long rebuild period.

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Because pretty much the only way to get talented, inexpensive players is from one's drafts - you can't afford a team of only proven players and still fit under the cap.

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Kesler, Schneider, Sedin, Sedin, Schroeder, were first round picks.  Edler, Hansen, Raymond, and Bieksa all draft picks too. Hmm they are all core part of the team with the exception of the the rookie Schroeder.  All draft picks are important cause they essentially form the core of your team.  Pittsburgh, Chicago, Anaheim, Boston and all top teams are led by core players from the draft, thats how you build a winner!

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Only if the return was good and it was a player that we could use for years to come, if not then it just simply isn't worth it.

Our prospect pool is running pretty thin and if our window is as short as you believe it is, than we are gonna need more prospects. lol

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Only if the return was good and it was a player that we could use for years to come, if not then it just simply isn't worth it.

Our prospect pool is running pretty thin and if our window is as short as you believe it is, than we are gonna need more prospects. lol

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Pittsburgh pretty much threw out their 2013 draft for the Cup. Fair enough considering it's just 1 year and they have Crosby, Letang, Malkin, Fleury and Neal still all very young. They could throw away their 2014 picks as well because no youngster they draft or develop is cracking their core any time soon.

Ray Sherro take a bow.

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This is the answer.

First of all, draft picks matter. Take a look at our lineup and who is in it:

Daniel Sedin 1st round, 2nd overall

Henrik Sedin 1st round, 3rd overall

Cam Barker 1st round, 3rd overall

Roberto Luongo 1st round, 4th overall

Manny Malholtra 1st round, 7th overall

Keith Ballard 1st round, 11th overall

Dan Hamhuis 1st round, 12th overall

Zack Kassian 1st round, 13th overall

Chris Higgins 1st round, 14th overall

Jordan Schroeder 1st round, 22nd overall

Ryan Kesler 1st round, 23rd overall

Cory Schneider 1st round, 26th overall

Mason Raymond 2nd round, 51st overall

David Booth 2nd round, 53rd overall

Maxim Lapierre 2nd round, 61st overall

Obviously higher placement increases significantly the chances a player will make it to the NHL. Yes, I know, we have some good late round draft picks, but by and large, the team is made of 1st and 2nd round draft picks.

The biggest struggle a team has is keeping quality players at affordable prices. Ryan O'Reilly would have been awesome to add to our lineup, but not his 5M salary. Igyy would be great here, but 7M? Jussi Jokinen could have helped us, but another year at 3M, ouch. Gaborik could add some scoring touch, but next year at 7.5M, ouch again. So, we need to build internally, and as we go along, we keep some, we lose some, but we stay under the cap.

The next poster said Edmonton, Edmonton is building from picks, they just tanked to get good ones, not a method I am in favor of. But what about Toronto? Toronto traded draft picks, by the bagful, and look at them now.

In 2010 they traded away the pick that got Tyler Seguin a 65 point player whose salary is just going up after this season. They also got an ace in the hole with Jared Knight on the same transaction.

In 2011 still the same transaction lost them the pick that is Dougie Hamilton. a 6'5" defenceman, now in the NHL with 13 points in 33 games, and a +/- of 0 in his first year so far.

On the other hand, they kept their 1st round 2009 pick, Nazem Kadri.

If they would have kept their picks, and provided they would have picked the same, they could have had Seguin and Hamilton playing for Kessel's salary. Which would you rather have?

Lets not dump draft picks in some misguided attempt to fix the team. Steady as she goes Captain Gillis, steady as she goes.

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Pittsburgh pretty much threw out their 2013 draft for the Cup. Fair enough considering it's just 1 year and they have Crosby, Letang, Malkin, Fleury and Neal still all very young. They could throw away their 2014 picks as well because no youngster they draft or develop is cracking their core any time soon.

Ray Sherro take a bow.

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About now, I'd settle for a trade. Isn't it about time MG actually pulled off a BOLD move that he so strongly promised to do when he came here? I mean, what exactly does that man do to earn his millions? So far, not much IMHO.

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Pittsburgh pretty much threw out their 2013 draft for the Cup. Fair enough considering it's just 1 year and they have Crosby, Letang, Malkin, Fleury and Neal still all very young. They could throw away their 2014 picks as well because no youngster they draft or develop is cracking their core any time soon.

Ray Sherro take a bow.

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you mean devastated roster.

Decimated means 1/10th of a roster.

Last time I checked, we don't have 2.3-2.5 people on our roster.

cheers.

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