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#1 KellyHrudey

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 12:50 AM

Did we pick the wrong player again?

While Horvat looked impressive in the young guns tournament, he wasn't very noticeable in his first pre-season action, while Nichushkin... scored 2 goals and had 9 O.o shots, a hit, and 2 blocked shots in his first game.

I realize it's incredibly early, but what a way to make a first impression.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 12:53 AM

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Knee jerk reaction much? It has been one game.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 12:54 AM

Pretty sure this won't get closed like my thread for the simple reason that I didn't make it.

But, yeah good question. OP.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:00 AM

Pretty sure this won't get closed like my thread for the simple reason that I didn't make it.

But, yeah good question. OP.


Part of what makes me wary is that Dallas' new GM Jim Nill, who selected Nichushkin, was previously the long-time director of scouting for the Red Wings... and we all know what gems they've managed to unearth over the years. Guess I just don't wanna relive Shawn Antoski 2.0 - but yeah, only 1 game. Lets hope Torts gives these young guys some rope unlike Coach V.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:00 AM

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:02 AM

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Nichushkin is no doubt a better player in terms of offence. He was the most nhl ready in terms of physique and he also has experience as he played in the Russian league with grown men; the canucks took horvat because they wanted depth at the center position. If the canucks wanted pure offence, they would've picked Nichuskin without a doubt. It is kind of bitter that we let Nichushkin go to Dallas, but at least Shinkaruk makes up for the offensive part.

Edited by Kanucklehead10, 18 September 2013 - 01:03 AM.

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#7 Cyril Sneer

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:11 AM

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Ill take a heart and soul Canadian Centre over a flashy Russian 9 out of 10 times.

And I don't think this is one of those times I go Russia

Edited by Cyril Sneer, 18 September 2013 - 01:16 AM.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:19 AM

Did we pick the wrong player again?

While Horvat looked impressive in the young guns tournament, he wasn't very noticeable in his first pre-season action, while Nichushkin... scored 2 goals and had 9 O.o shots, a hit, and 2 blocked shots in his first game.

I realize it's incredibly early, but what a way to make a first impression.

There are numerous rookies that have one good game and everyone says they are the second coming. We need to look at it in hindsight. We can make this argument in 4-5 years when they have legitiment NHL experience under there belt.

I also think Russian players stock has dropped due to a lot of them retreating to the KHL and it's a safer pick going Canadian.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:36 AM

Ill take a heart and soul Canadian Centre over a flashy Russian 9 out of 10 times.

And I don't think this is one of those times I go Russia


Bo will be a stud, but for a team that struggles to score goals I would've liked to see Gillis go with a pure offensive power winger. Nichushkin has huge offensive upside, I understand Horvat was the safe pick but you don't win by playing it safe.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:37 AM

One preseason game and you really think you can judge whether or not we made the right pick?

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:41 AM

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:43 AM

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:10 AM

Ill take a heart and soul Canadian Centre over a flashy Russian 9 out of 10 times.

And I don't think this is one of those times I go Russia


Yeah, 'cause everyone hates Russians like Pavel Bure...
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:22 AM

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:25 AM

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Yeah, 'cause everyone hates Russians like Pavel Bure...

You missed the 9 out of 10 times part
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:27 AM

Nichushkin is by far the better offensive player. Not even close. Much more skill, better size too.
Horvat is better defensively, more clutch, better fit for the playoffs and most importantly a good fit at center which is what we want.

Nichushkin would have been nice, but we wouldn't have had many centers after Henrik and Kesler, whereas we've already got big physical wingers in Jensen and Kassian.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 02:37 AM

Yeah, 'cause everyone hates Russians like Pavel Bure...


Bure is Russian? Wow thanks forget I said anything.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:47 AM

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 03:54 AM

One preseason game and you really think you can judge whether or not we made the right pick?

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No, but he can make a post and generate a solid discussion about it. Unlike your pointless comment.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 04:10 AM

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Funny you say that since I always wanted the Canucks to draft Kopitar before the draft happened similar to Nischuskin who I think might be the next Kopitar only on the wing. I like Horvat too but I wanted Nischushkin before the draft and I thought the Canucks traded into top 10 to get him since Horvat wasn't even in my radar.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 04:12 AM

One preseason game and you really think you can judge whether or not we made the right pick?

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 05:02 AM

Nichushkin is by far the better offensive player. Not even close. Much more skill, better size too.
Horvat is better defensively, more clutch, better fit for the playoffs and most importantly a good fit at center which is what we want.

Nichushkin would have been nice, but we wouldn't have had many centers after Henrik and Kesler, whereas we've already got big physical wingers in Jensen and Kassian.


I would always go BPA, you can always trade for your weakness afterwards or trade that BPA for player of similar caliber at a different position. Although am still fine that the Canucks picked Horvat but maybe for the shorter term where benefits might have been seen right away, Nischushkin would've been the better pick. Longer term, who knows which player will be better between the two.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 05:27 AM

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you'll be glad the canucks took horvat 3 years from now when nichushkin's entry level deal runs out and he threatens to go to russia if he doesn't get 7 mil a year.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 06:09 AM

you'll be glad the canucks took horvat 3 years from now when nichushkin's entry level deal runs out and he threatens to go to russia if he doesn't get 7 mil a year.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 06:26 AM

Did we pick the wrong player again?


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 06:41 AM

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Like I said in another thread, who would you rather have, Radulov or Ladd?

One has two cup rings, the other is playing in the KHL.
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 06:58 AM

Like I said in another thread, who would you rather have, Radulov or Ladd?

One has two cup rings, the other is playing in the KHL.

one is a captain of a Canadian team. the other lost his c for being a turd
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:08 AM

I don't know, Nichushkin is obviously the better offensive talent. But I would argue that with how the playoffs have been played the past few years a really good two player, ie your bergeron, toews etc, are more valuable than your high end offensive guys. I mean just the fact the it is plausible for someone to make the argument that bergeron was more the important player last playoffs that crosby says a lot. So assuming they both pan out and stick around in the NHL, I would think you would rather have a guy like Horvat for the playoffs
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:09 AM

here we go again :picard:
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Posted 18 September 2013 - 07:23 AM

Pretty sure this won't get closed like my thread for the simple reason that I didn't make it.

But, yeah good question. OP.

I'm pretty sure you did make this thread.
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