TOMapleLaughs Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 The fact that Dallas acquired Gonchar before the draft indicates (to me, wearing my tinfoil hat) that they knew they were getting Nichushkin. That the draft was (perhaps) rigged. (Again.) They hope Gonchar mentors Nichushkin like he did Malkin. We have nobody to mentor him. So when we passed on him, I was only moderately surprised. When Dallas picked him up, I was like, 'Ahhh, of course.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Did we pick the wrong player again? While Horvat looked impressive in the young guns tournament, he wasn't very noticeable in his first pre-season action, while Nichushkin... scored 2 goals and had 9 O.o shots, a hit, and 2 blocked shots in his first game. I realize it's incredibly early, but what a way to make a first impression. Ya we should take these Russian boys because they can't take off to Russia soon as they get upset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagori Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 How in gods name is the Draft Rigged TOMaplelaughs??? Curious on how you put that together... Also, although I agree with OP that its a good way to play your first game... This Topic based on 1 game is an extremely poor assessment on which pick was the wrong choice... FABIAN BRUNNSTROM comes to mind lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pinchin Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Despite the fact that it's way to early to tell if either are a good pick, for the sake of argument, what criteria are we using to evaluate them? 2 completely different players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phishnapper Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Well, playing with Weise and Sestito I would not expect him to get 5 points. If he did I would have to say it will be a fluke. No offense to either guy but thats not there role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireGillis Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's hard to judge russian prospects because of the KHL factor. Valeri may well be better than horvat, but then he could also bolt to the KHL at any time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Gauce, Jensen, and Horvat are not giving me much hope for the future like some other posters on this site. Now Shinkaruk, that kid is something, but he was a no brainer pick and a bit of a fluke he dropped down to us. I still stand by my statement that Gillis cannot draft or trade effectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's hard to judge russian prospects because of the KHL factor. Valeri may well be better than horvat, but then he could also bolt to the KHL at any time. If I am a GM I am worrying about my job this year, not on what some prospect can do 3 years down the road. There's a good chance Gillis wont even be employed by then anyways. And how many noteworthy Russians have bolted? Only one I can think of is Radulov and playing in that system(Nashville) who can blame him? Why do people assume every Russian is going to bolt? Don't treat them like crap, play them with crap players on a crap system and they won't feel the need to leave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Top 3 talent. So it can be said. Valeri Nichuskin vs Jonathan Drouin Valeri Nichuskin vs Seth Jones and on and on we go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jejejester Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 More of these threads? shouldn't there be a thread of horvat vs. Every other player picked after him. I swear every day this tread is made. We need more threads about this. I call making the horvat vs. Morin thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 If I am a GM I am worrying about my job this year, not on what some prospect can do 3 years down the road. There's a good chance Gillis wont even be employed by then anyways. And how many noteworthy Russians have bolted? Only one I can think of is Radulov and playing in that system(Nashville) who can blame him? Why do people assume every Russian is going to bolt? Don't treat them like crap, play them with crap players on a crap system and they won't feel the need to leave. That's the great thing about Mike Gillis. He's willing to put his ass on the line in order to preserve the future of the team. Also Ilya Kovalchuk is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 How in gods name is the Draft Rigged TOMaplelaughs??? Curious on how you put that together...How is the draft rigged? Fairly easily, actually. The better question would be why. And imho it's to help promote the game in the south. Dallas needs some help in getting some fans back and if this guy pans out quickly, yay for them. Horvat will be a good, do-everything centerman, but it's going to take more time. Anyway, pure tinfoil talk. Means nothing, so carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 If I am a GM I am worrying about my job this year, not on what some prospect can do 3 years down the road. There's a good chance Gillis wont even be employed by then anyways. And how many noteworthy Russians have bolted? Only one I can think of is Radulov and playing in that system(Nashville) who can blame him? Why do people assume every Russian is going to bolt? Don't treat them like crap, play them with crap players on a crap system and they won't feel the need to leave. How many? Kovalev, Radulov, Kostitsyn Kostitsyn....KOVALCHUK. More than a few and of course the number of holdouts we don't hear about in the prospects dept Why do people assume they'll bolt? They make an obscene amount of tax free money to play at home. Like telling Crosby he'll make $20 million a year to only play in Canada and nowhere else tax free....he takes the money and runs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesman60 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Nichushkin might be able to score goals in one game during the pre season but can he score big goals when the playoffs arrive? Who knows about Russians, they are just as likely to head back to Russia like Kovalchuk. I like Bo Horvat, this kid is going to be a complete 2 way centre. When Shinkaruk and Jensen get a bit of seasoning, they will provide the scoring and all the MG doubters will be happy once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emerson47 Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Gillis has never drafted a Russian:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguez Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Scott Gomez received $7+ million a year. How worth it was he again? Maybe we should have asked Montreal what they wanted for him before the buyout.....I mean he would have been the better player right? Not what I said. Getting 7 and being worth 7 are not equal. Read, comprehend, then comment instead of being an idiot and jumping to conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguez Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 It's hard to judge russian prospects because of the KHL factor. Valeri may well be better than horvat, but then he could also bolt to the KHL at any time. So can any player, the KHL isn't a Russian only league. If an agent sees a chance to make some real coin he is going to discuss it with his client. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 From what I hear Nichushkin is more NHL ready but I think Horvat is the more complete player and over time we should be pretty happy with our choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jejejester Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 Players like Nichuskin win scoring titles in regular season, players like Horvat win Stanley Cups and Conn Smyths. So tell me who was the better pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted September 18, 2013 Share Posted September 18, 2013 When we made the trade I was filled with school girl jitters, thought we were gona take Valeri, no just assumed, then when we announce horvat i sank in to a small rage calling for gillis head on a brazilian soccer game spike for all to see, A little excessive yes but Valeri looked like a guy you could plug into our top six this season which is in desperate need of secondary scoring and a more prominent physical presence. I think Valeri could have helped our squad immediately whereas Bo if we put him in this year it will limit his future offensive potential as he never got a chance to light up the OHL offensively yet and learn it at that level. I am not against having Bo on our team, kid will be a stud and he is the kinda guy you win championships with, but at this time we have our guy like that and its Kesler, we needed a big physical skilled winger to help our team now, we should have gone for it, and taken the risk I still think. He draws comparisons to a cross between Malkin and Rick Nash, imagine that along side the sedins.. Just sayin, still nonetheless we got a great prospect who will be a leader on our team in years to come, and to who will have the better career, and salary value etc, is all up in the air. No one can say anything for sure. And his first preseason game although promising doesnt meen anything yet, visit Sergei Shirokov Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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