Monty Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Just now, Alflives said: I don't know if it's too much really. Pool Party is in the minors, because he is horrible defensively, and his offence didn't transition to the North American Game. Maybe he never becomes an impactful player, and we are overpaying? He's a first year player. Not everyone is Austin Matthews, Patrik Laine, and Matthew Tkachuk. Hell, Stamkos had a disappointing first season in the NHL, because he was just a kid. Also, JP is not horrible defensively. In fact, the scouting report on him was that he would likely end up the most complete player out of the top 3. Perhaps not the most offensive, but the most complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 They need to shed cap not Pool Party. They likely move RNH or Eberle before they sign Leon. So they know where they are cap wize when it's time to back the truck up for Mc lovin! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Alflives said: I don't know if it's too much really. Pool Party is in the minors, because he is horrible defensively, and his offence didn't transition to the North American Game. Maybe he never becomes an impactful player, and we are overpaying? I feel like your the type of person whose like We are overpaying for other teams player but other teams are underpaying for our players if trades ever happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 25 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: I feel like your the type of person whose like We are overpaying for other teams player but other teams are underpaying for our players if trades ever happen I can't argue with that, but it is a Canuck's board, right? I really do think we are giving up too much for a guy, who might not be much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Switch out Markstrom (Talbot at this point is better anyway) for Horvat + OJ or Demko and add that to Tanev + the picks and you will have the minimum of what Edmonton will ask for in dealing JP. Basically not a chance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pomorick Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Tanev and Sutter for Pool Party and a 2nd that turns into a 1st if the Oilers make the conference finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 Both Larsson and Sekera injured and Nurse still coming off surgery. They will also need more depth dmen for the playoffs If a deal taking back cap space and/or any of these guys are out until the start of the playoffs (put on IR). They might consider getting a couple of dmen in return especially if a draft pick is thrown in. Tanev and Sbisa with Hendricks coming back. They can always trade a dman at anytime. Or Tanev and Virtanen. Or OJ for PJ plus a Columbus 2nd. The Columbus 2nd would have been all that was needed at the draft anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 On 20/02/2017 at 2:29 PM, Warhippy said: Top 10 in Goals Against....with Nurse coming back in the next 2 games Just saying Canucks are 22nd or 23rd for Goals Against and bottom 5 for goals scored Soooo..... I thought This was hilarious. Talbot is a very good goalie, this thread just shows the op's knowledge of the oilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 1 hour ago, TheGuardian_ said: Both Larsson and Sekera injured and Nurse still coming off surgery. They will also need more depth dmen for the playoffs If a deal taking back cap space and/or any of these guys are out until the start of the playoffs (put on IR). They might consider getting a couple of dmen in return especially if a draft pick is thrown in. Tanev and Sbisa with Hendricks coming back. They can always trade a dman at anytime. Or Tanev and Virtanen. Or OJ for PJ plus a Columbus 2nd. The Columbus 2nd would have been all that was needed at the draft anyway. "Larsson is listed day to day, time to panic and trade our top prospect that we drafted at 4th overall for immediate d help. It doesn't matter that the player we get will be lost to expansion draft, It doesn't matter that our core is under 21 years old and we will have plenty of opportunity for cup runs. Lets mortgaged some of that future NOW for a very short term fix." Umm yeah, not going to happen give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: "Larsson is listed day to day, time to panic and trade our top prospect that we drafted at 4th overall for immediate d help. It doesn't matter that the player we get will be lost to expansion draft, It doesn't matter that our core is under 21 years old and we will have plenty of opportunity for cup runs. Lets mortgaged some of that future NOW for a very short term fix." Umm yeah, not going to happen give it up. You think trading a position that the Nucks have strength in for one that they are dire need of and younger at that, is trading away the future? Or that it is a short term fix? The kid is still 18 yrs old. Hey, the way you worded that, are you taking the Edmonton angle? Edmonton can lose only one player and they make a deal with Vegas to stop that if they want or make a trade before the ED if they ae knocked out early. They are still going to lose a player anyway. Do you think they would mind if they get into the second or third round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: You think trading a position that the Nucks have strength in for one that they are dire need of and younger at that, is trading away the future? Or that it is a short term fix? The kid is still 18 yrs old. That was coming from an Oilers perspective.. It's pretty easy to see that, since when do canucks have a 4th overall pick? Oilers do not want Tanev, not at the cost of their top prospect. Tanev would be a short term fix for the Oilers because he would be lost in expansion draft in two months. Oilers are still extremely young, they have no reason to go all in this year. There team is only going to get better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 5 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: You think trading a position that the Nucks have strength in for one that they are dire need of and younger at that, is trading away the future? Or that it is a short term fix? The kid is still 18 yrs old. Hey, the way you worded that, are you taking the Edmonton angle? Why would the oilers want a goalie not as good as their starting goalie? Is Tanev really the piece to make them trade their 4Th overall pick or is it the 2ND rounders you added? It won't happen. The Oilers need to trade RNH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 On 2017-02-21 at 11:56 AM, Ronaldoescobar said: Switch out Markstrom (Talbot at this point is better anyway) for Horvat + OJ or Demko and add that to Tanev + the picks and you will have the minimum of what Edmonton will ask for in dealing JP. Basically not a chance... This better be a joke. Your almost as far off as the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Hey, the way you worded that, are you taking the Edmonton angle? Light bulb... 12 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: Edmonton can lose only one player and they make a deal with Vegas to stop that if they want or make a trade before the ED if they ae knocked out early. They are still going to lose a player anyway. Do you think they would mind if they get into the second or third round? Yes the are going to lose a player, currently it will be between Pouliot or Reinhart. What your suggesting is them to lose Tanev and Puljujarvi all for hopes of a 2nd or 3rd round playoff experience.... Why would Oilers have interest in that? They are going to need Puljujarvi in a few years to be part of their core. They are young and have no need to go all in this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 6 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: That was coming from an Oilers perspective.. It's pretty easy to see that, since when do canucks have a 4th overall pick? Oilers do not want Tanev, not at the cost of their top prospect. Tanev would be a short term fix for the Oilers because he would be lost in expansion draft in two months. Oilers are still extremely young, they have no reason to go all in this year. There team is only going to get better. If not Tanev then maybe OJ and a pick? As I stated they will lose only one player anyway at worst, but all teams will be. Hutton then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 34 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: Yes the are going to lose a player, currently it will be between Pouliot or Reinhart. What your suggesting is them to lose Tanev and Puljujarvi all for hopes of a 2nd or 3rd round playoff experience.... Why would Oilers have interest in that? They are going to need Puljujarvi in a few years to be part of their core. They are young and have no need to go all in this year. The cap will push them at some point, I figure they will pay McDavid the most they can for a term that takes them to his last RFA year and re-sign for the most they can for as long as they can. Unless they decide to trade him. Then they would need JP for sure. So if they traded for Hutton and/or OJ instead? Neither player needs protection. Both give them a dman and cap room. Both could be used at some time for dman depth or traded later or kept. IMO if OJ then a pick needs to be added, if Hutton, maybe straight up, but if it takes adding 2017 picks to make the deal get done then that's what needs to be done, there is no player on the horizon that is available to replace the Sedins, both of them. And don't say the Colorado duo, Sakic would want all of the above and then some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 21 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: The cap will push them at some point, I figure they will pay McDavid the most they can for a term that takes them to his last RFA year and re-sign for the most they can for as long as they can. Unless they decide to trade him. Then they would need JP for sure. The cap is the reason they need to keep a players like Puljujarvi, he makes $6 million contracts like Eberle expendable and gives them a few years of ELC and potentially a bridge before they have to worry about JP contract 21 minutes ago, TheGuardian_ said: So if they traded for Hutton and/or OJ instead? Neither player needs protection. Both give them a dman and cap room. Both could be used at some time for dman depth or traded later or kept. IMO if OJ then a pick needs to be added, if Hutton, maybe straight up, but if it takes adding 2017 picks to make the deal get done then that's what needs to be done, there is no player on the horizon that is available to replace the Sedins, both of them. And don't say the Colorado duo, Sakic would want all of the above and then some. OJ doesn't help them this year, and they don't need hutton in the long term with Nurse and Klefbom on the left side. What the oilers need in a few years is Puljujarvi to be a top 6 winger. They don't really have a huge need for defense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuardian_ Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 27 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: OJ doesn't help them this year, and they don't need hutton in the long term with Nurse and Klefbom on the left side. What the oilers need in a few years is Puljujarvi to be a top 6 winger. They don't really have a huge need for defense Defence depth in the playoffs is well known necessity, you think the Oiler fans don't know this or the team's management? Failure to get dman depth could/would be looked at as not bothering to try. Nurse, Sekara and Larsson are all injured right now. Hutton is an upgrade on their current #4, 5 and 6 positions at the very least. And the team itself has already said they need more defencemen. Do you really think they will bury JP in the minors for 3 or 4 years? They are in a brand new building, they have maybe the next best player to Gretzky and want him to stick around playoffs create bonds, they are in the playoffs for the first time in 12 years, Calgary, their rival, is loading up, and you don't beleive they would move a player that was a surprise for them, it was well known they wanted to draft a dman. So give them want they wanted, over paying will be necessary, it is the Canucks need that is greastest not Edmonton's, they just happen to have a player in the AHL that fits the Canucks need, Hutton and OJ and a pick if necessary. To get one Sedin replacement or even a better than even chance for one is worth one existing player, one that hasn't played yet and may very well have been replaced by Stecher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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