samurai Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 50 minutes ago, darkpoet said: Looks like Upchuck said something pretty convincing to get Witkowski back onto the ice. As a player he knows what the automatic penalty for that is... The refs were pretty quick to kick Witkowski out, yet Upchuck and that gang of window-lickers can all stand around there screaming like banshees and not also get shown the gate. That's poor "game management" by the officials and made the situation worse as a result. no way when you are tossed you gotta go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaku Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Any new on everyone else? Ferland, Tkachuck, Anathasiou? Tkachuk should be getting a hefty suspension too in my opinion. He played just as much of a role in the whole fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, Green Building said: 10 games for some fisticuffs, way to have your priorities in check there NHL. the fighting is not the issue. When you get tossed from the game it means you are no longer in the game - you are no longer sanctioned to play - get it? - coming back on the ice is a huge no no. Agree with 10 games. He came back on the ice as a non sanctioned participant. There are legal issue in play here as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whaleroad Train Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 DOPS Department of Perplexing Standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 hour ago, aGENT said: Not that I'm a huge proponent of fighting etc but yeah, I mean once he was back on the ice and getting 10 games anyway... he should have pummeled the little rats face in IMO. Of course he'd have to of caught him, hiding behind other players and refs. Other Flames like Hamonic had already been laid out or tied up. Interesting how ineffective their truculence without Engelland... mebbe we coulda moved them Pedan and a 2nd for 18YO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkpoet Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, samurai said: no way when you are tossed you gotta go. I agree with you My point was, they tossed one guy, when there were 4 or 5 that were causing the real problem, and one of them in particular (Tkachuck) If they would have tossed 3 or 4 of those goofs it would be have been done with but instead they end up playing ballerina on ice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gaudette Celly Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Jaku said: Tkachuk should be getting a hefty suspension too in my opinion. He played just as much of a role in the whole fiasco. Indeed, he's the one that instigated the whole thing. Flames were upset their boy got whooped, but things had calmed down as Witkowski was already headed out behind the bench when Tkachuk reached in and poked at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Whaleroad Train said: DOPS Department of Perplexing Standards. yes, but not in this case. He got kicked out of the game. That means he becomes a non-player. He returned as a non sanctioned player. This is a black and white suspension. And it should be harsh. But outside of something like this I agree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 10 minutes ago, samurai said: the fighting is not the issue. When you get tossed from the game it means you are no longer in the game - you are no longer sanctioned to play - get it? - coming back on the ice is a huge no no. Agree with 10 games. He came back on the ice as a non sanctioned participant. There are legal issue in play here as well. When you're tossed from the game you have to leave the game? Thanks champ, got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 Just now, samurai said: yes, but not in this case. He got kicked out of the game. That means he becomes a non-player. He returned as a non sanctioned player. This is a black and white suspension. And it should be harsh. But outside of something like this I agree with you. I don't think anyone's arguing an obvious and clear rule. The 'perplexing' comes with all the other over or non suspensions they make seemingly at whim. There's like zero consistency (or accountability). And while yes, this is a hard and fast rule (as it should be), it seems odd a guy would get 10 games for that ^ when DOPS all but ignores or highly downplays far more serious and dangerous 'safety' events (or severely punishes seemingly lesser ones). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hutton Wink said: Indeed, he's the one that instigated the whole thing. Flames were upset their boy got whooped, but things had calmed down as Witkowski was already headed out behind the bench when Tkachuk reached in and poked at him. yeah there is an issue here of touching a guy after he is in the process of being tossed. There should be a suspension of some kind for this. Once the ref decides to toss a player and is escorting him off the ice that means that player is off bounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Green Building said: When you're tossed from the game you have to leave the game? Thanks champ, got it. Your welcome. Witkowski didnt get it did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: I don't think anyone's arguing an obvious and clear rule. The 'perplexing' comes with all the other over or non suspensions they make seemingly at whim. There's like zero consistency (or accountability). And while yes, this is a hard and fast rule (as it should be), it seems odd a guy would get 10 games for that ^ when DOPS all but ignores or highly downplays far more serious and dangerous 'safety' events (or severely punishes seemingly lesser ones). i agree with you, but in this case the issue is the player coming back as a non-participant. When you get tossed it means you are no longer a player in the game. It is a legal issue. Hence the harsh punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, samurai said: i agree with you, but in this case the issue is the player coming back as a non-participant. When you get tossed it means you are no longer a player in the game. It is a legal issue. Hence the harsh punishment. Bruh, we all get it. We all got it before you showed up telling us how to get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Building Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, samurai said: Your welcome. Witkowski didnt get it did he? You're missing the point. Who cares what Witkowski understands about the rule? Wishy washy handouts from the justice league outside of this incident are not in proportion to this rule, and no amount of your "educating" is going to change how I feel about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Green Building said: 10 games for some fisticuffs, way to have your priorities in check there NHL. Automatic for coming back on the ice. Yes, there's a lot of stuff that should get stronger penalties and suspensions that don't. They need to be a little more consistent all around, but this one was automatic. Remember, Bertuzzi got tagged for 10 games as well, for leaving the bench to defend Jovo. Funny enough though, when Bert came back his production suddenly exploded. After my reply, noticing all the other replies that were already saying most of the same. Not trying to overkill the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 I watched the game. tkachuck is a major douche. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 42 minutes ago, aGENT said: Bruh, we all get it. We all got it before you showed up telling us how to get it i dont think you are a spokesman for 'we' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samurai Posted November 17, 2017 Share Posted November 17, 2017 39 minutes ago, Green Building said: You're missing the point. Who cares what Witkowski understands about the rule? Wishy washy handouts from the justice league outside of this incident are not in proportion to this rule, and no amount of your "educating" is going to change how I feel about that. You don't care about it but comment on it, and then seem to think outside incidents are related? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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