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I was just in Kelowna on the weekend. Saw lots of masks in the hotel, at the wineries we visited, lots of awareness of need to social distance. I wasn't near a bar or nightclub so can't comment on what they are doing. In the liquor store I was in every person in line had a mask on, only comment was from some old fart that walked in and told those of us in line that we were too far apart ...his comment wasn't well received. He seemed to be a local.

I guess I do have faith in people, and I would say the vast majority of people are doing many things to follow CDC guidelines. More people are wearing masks in public than ever before. People are social distancing a lot more. Fewer people are eating in restaurants, fewer people are going to pubs/nightclubs. Fewer people are going to gyms. Stores aren't as crowded and people try for the most part to follow directional signage. I think expecting 100% compliance is unrealistic.

I don't think what we accomplished in Phase 2 was wasted at all. It bought us time, it taught us how to do things safely, it allowed business's to figure out how they could adapt to the new normal and potentially operate safely and not go out of business. It allowed the hospitals and health care system to figure out the new normal. I don't think what we had was a liveable balance for the long term in Phase 2. It negatively affected people's health both mental and physical. It had a dramatic negative impact on our economy and wasn't sustainable as the government can not hand out money long term. People need to work to survive, or we will be dealing with 10x the homeless within a year and that won't go well. We will be back to the "Great Depression" lifestyle which as I have heard wasn't fun for many people. We need to keep trundling along at a low rate of infection which I think we can do. It doesn't require complete shutdowns again, we all just need to be careful. What we need to guard against are spikes that can't be traced so that those impacted can be isolated without infecting others. Hence the need for small gatherings, leaving one's name at any dining establishment etc.

Not at all. Every year, year after year, we see mediocre players rip it up in training camp and by week 3 you barely see them again for the year. Conversely, you see really good players just kinda float around all training camp with panicky fans frothing at the mouth how bad they are. Then the season starts and those same good players rip it up all year. So training camp does not mean much at the end of the day other than to let the professional athletes get into the rhythm of things. I think it's a bit of both. Training camps are vitally important for the bubble players battling for a spot in the lineup, for the newbies that the coaching staff may not be familiar with and gives them a chance to show what they can do and how much they want it and are willing to work for it. For the shoe in players (there are usually 6 - 10 on a team) it's their opportunity to get their skating legs under them and avoid injury. I'd argue Jake is more of a bubble player and the coaching staff would want to see how much he wants the position. They know what he CAN do, what they need to see is whether he's taken the time away from the game seriously and worked hard and is he willing to work hard now. Or, are there other players that want it more and bring a similar skill set. A team needs the best of all the players in the role they need to play in order to succeed.

Someone above mentioned riding in golf carts together. My experience is that if you come on a golf package vacation as we did to Kelowna, the course will let you ride together in a cart. (we had just driven 4 hours together so not unexpected). Otherwise, most courses you have to show a proof of residence that you live together before they will let you share a cart. Most responsible business owners are very aware that if they don't abide by the WSBC rules they could be shut down in a heart beat. They are doing their best to follow the guidelines. The spin studio I go to the owner is constantly reminding us that we need to sanitize, we need to stay 6 feet apart, that WSBC inspectors are actively checking and she doesn't want to be shut down. One of the golf courses I play at is constantly on the loudspeaker reminding people to stay apart, they have sections identified where one is to wait for their tee time and they have kicked people off the course for not abiding by the social distancing rules.

The spike in COVID infections is certainly worrisome. In our society we've been using the push of encouraging people to "want to" take the appropriate actions rather than forcing things. I believe I've heard that the fear of forcing things is that everything just gets driven underground. Isn't that what happened with Prohibition? (before my time LOL) Short of becoming a police state, I'm not sure there is a way to completely shut things down and force people to stay at home other than going out for essential items. It's summer, people will congregate in back yards, beaches, forests, gravel pits, wherever so I think the best that can be hoped for is that the message of being safe continues to be driven home. There is also the economic impact of trying to get as many people as possible back to work. The government can't continue handing out money in the form of CERB forever. I think it's a tightrope kind of balancing act to try to have business's reopen and encourage people to behave responsibly. I guess if there is a good thing out of the recent spike it's that it's largely being traced back to the parties in Kelowna. I was in Kelowna last weekend on a golf trip. We were careful to stay out of downtown, we ate largely at the golf courses, went to a couple of wineries. Everywhere we went there was active social distancing, servers were wearing masks, lots of sanitizing of tables, chairs, touchpoints. Tables at the golf courses and wineries were well spaced out and everything we did was outdoors. The hotel was also actively sanitizing, had the tables in the breakfast area spaced out, everyone that I saw that came into the lobby was careful about sanitizing their hands, most were wearing masks. There were some young people at the hotel, heard them coming back to their rooms around 1:30 in the morning, so guessing they were partying in some places that weren't safe. Each of us needs to take the actions we deem appropriate for our personal circumstance and whatever we can do to protect others. Wear a mask wherever you think it appropriate, stay home as much as possible if you are concerned about infection but sadly I don't think there is a way to force that on everyone. Pray for bad weather.

He worked pretty hard during the isolation phase, saw him in multiple tweets helping to socially distantly celebrate various kids birthdays, thought that was pretty cool and a great way to keep the Canucks active in the community in some way.

@debluvscanucksI also enjoy how much you're enjoying this! It's a terrific release for many of us after what's been a challenging time.

Good Grief no! I'm enjoying it!

Nice to have a "sort of" game day thread again! Although I'm listening online on the radio and it's delayed, so Deb posting what's happening before I hear it, makes it more fun!

Malhotra and Carnegie will be more hated than Kelly Sutherland LOL!

One of these things is not like the others! Hilarious that even in an intersquad scrimmage the Canucks fans aren't happy with the reffing....poor Manny, he's going to get some grief from the boys!

Without supporting evidence that's a pretty crap comment to make. What exactly are you referring to? In your post you referenced an issue in California which one could argue is a vastly different scenario that what we've experienced in BC. You keep beating the drum about what an awful job BC is doing, yet all indicators show that we have some of the lowest infection rates in the world. It's too bad you can't find your way out from the morass of negativity you are in. It's tiresome. I have blocked you, however I was occasionally checking your posts or would see them when someone else quoted you. I kept hoping that you might shift a bit away from the constant negativity. While certainly things in BC are not perfect, we are doing well. Largely our citizens are demonstrating care and concern for each other and are all doing what we can to slow and contain COVID so we don't have people dying needlessly. With COVID-19 as with most things, one finds the information to support the narrative one wants to believe. You seem to want to believe the worst. Thankfully many others on this forum want to believe better.

I just can't even......sigh, people!

I think the US is in for a long world of hurt before they see the reduction side of COVID infections given their government structure and how fractured it is. When various states that border each other are giving completely different instructions to their citizens it creates mayhem. People will end up dying not just from COVID but possibly from vigilantism when someone shoots an out of state visitor because they don't agree with masks/no masks edict in the neighbouring state. People in BC have reacted badly to out of province license plates....and we don't carry guns. Our level of being affronted is leaving a nasty note on someone's windshield. Even if the Dems win the Nov election, it's going to take a long time to clean up this mess if they can't get all the state leaders on the same page. Their inability to park the partisan politics for the greater good is terrifying to watch.

And he's not wrong in that statement. Scientists know so much more now about how COVID-19 spreads than they did "a few months ago" and yes, advice will change. I'd still follow their advice over a politician who is pandering for votes, any jackass who is a nut job and afraid that wearing a mask makes them look weak, or a keyboard warrior living in their parents basement. It's as much about caring for the people one comes in contact with as it is about self protection, maybe moreso. We all know that a mask isn't perfect protection, but it's better than not wearing one. We know now that droplets are the primary way that the virus spreads.

Good grief no!!!!! I'd choke before I'd ever say that! Just commenting on vaccines and how they often produce side effects, but imho the side effects are still easier to deal with than the illness they protect one from. However, based on the description of the side effects in the article, might be more than someone with health issues can tolerate, or may be that the side effects scare people away.

Side effects to a vaccine are concerning, and will be interesting to see how long the antibodies last. It would seem that antibodies in people who have recovered from COVID-19 don't seem to last more than a few months and they are susceptible to reinfection. Lots more study and testing needed. I've had side effects from the flu vaccine in some years where I feel for 48+ hours that I've had the flu. I had the shingles vaccine this fall and the booster in January, felt pretty bad after both shots, took 3 days both times before I could move my arm again. For sure better than getting shingles, but side effects might be concerning for people who would be at high risk from COVID.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/how-two-hairstylists-with-covid-19-saw-139-clients-without-passing-on-the-virus-1.5023700 Reinforces the importance of wearing a mask when not able to physically distance. Pretty incredible stats.

Hope they like traveling within the US as it's unlikely any other country will let them in for quite some time given the level of infection rate they are experiencing. The idea that people can get reinfected within a few months doesn't bode well for their approach.

I know the infection rate has risen slightly, but not sure that 20 +/- per day is significantly worrisome as long as the appropriate contact tracing can be done to eliminate community spread. It's never going to be completely eradicated unless there is an effective vaccine and that may or may not ever come. We all need to do our part to limit the risks to ourselves and others, and that probably looks different for different people and different environments.

https://www.vox.com/2020/7/12/21321653/getting-covid-19-twice-reinfection-antibody-herd-immunity Doctors reporting reinfection and debunking the idea of herd immunity. Sigh....not getting out of this mess anytime soon. So much still unknown.

Interesting article on what to expect the first few days of training camp. Here's hoping there are no groin strains

My thought as well, he may have had discussions with Green et al and been told there was minimal chance he would get to play in any games. Depending where the coaching staff see him on the depth chart he may have opted out to stay home based on that. One would think that if there was a strong chance he might play and showcase for other teams he'd jump at that? Don't know his personal situation so hard to say. Respect his decision either way. Wonder if he's making plans to go to Europe since the AHL next season is in doubt?