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That's not a great analogy, sorry.

That's objectively wrong.

Fully agree. We should NOT have been paying premium prices for a luxury item while being a bottom feeding team.

So my question is, why couldn't this new management tank like Detroit did? We ended up paying draft picks for their ability to tank better?

I don't know what the standards are to classify Green as an "above average NHL coach". He produced a worse win rate than Willie Desjardins, who almost everyone here will agree had terrible rosters to work with (sans his first year) I don't know what world we live in where losing record would make them seem like a good coach. They have almost identical stats to each other. Desjardins had one good season. Green's last year had the best roster. They are both mediocre coaches. Willie Desjardins

They also got a 1st overall, so let's not ignore that either. Also had a 2nd overall. Their rebuilds were not strictly because of these two players, because they could've ended up like Edmonton.

It's because the team needs accountability. Tocchet actually keeps people in line. Green, on the other hand, played favourites.

Here's the thing. Benning gave him something like 6 seasons of employment. During this time, Green has not had a winning record, whether this is the AHL or the NHL. Green has also had input on all the players on his lineups. You cannot absolve Green of that. Green's style of coaching is not proven whatsoever.

I don't get it. What do they see in this guy? It really begs the question: how many coaches just keep getting recycled?

Your reasoning behind this is disturbing. Is being less violent a bad thing? I agree that the reffing is dog shit, especially in the playoffs, but violence (bad hits) need to be curbed. Violent offenders need bigger punishment. If you think you need big hits and fights to get excited in the game, you are living in the past. I prefer a little bit of everything. Skill, good reffing, decent fights. I don't want f**king boarding or blindshot hits. I want solid, clean hits, ideally without any injury.

There is a thing as someone being right, but not for the right reasons. NHL marketing could be improved, but the marketing of this sport is very different than UFC. Whatever White thinks of UFC is not going to be appropriate for NHL. So White is right that the NHL could use more work on marketing, but White is not the person to be talking about it. He clearly doesn't know everything. They're completely different sports catering to different audiences.

Keith Ballard - Gillis

This is an incredibly short sighted move, from management that clearly doesn't know what they're doing. The trading of Hronek was an unnecessary luxury, giving up a 1st and a 2nd for an impending RFA that they have no space for. So buying OEL was their solution? For f**k's sake.

Ridiculous situation. This team is going to be unwatchable for the next little bit, due to mismanagement of this team. This buyout could've been waited. The Hronek trade could've waited. Honestly, just sell the team already. That's how I feel about this now.

The Hronek one was a desperation trade. Obviously this new management didn't take any notes.

This management shoots itself in the foot all the time, even if OEL wasn't their trade. They didn't have to do this move, but their lack of patience is going to hurt us long term. I'm so sad to see this PA version of Canuck hockey.

Yeah, I'm honestly done watching this team until these clowns get out of office. They are awful managers.

I disagree with you heavily in the past, but I can't stop agreeing with you at all. People are fooling themselves if they think this team (management) learned anything from Benning's time. Benning made plenty of mistakes. Now this management has not learned anything about mistakes, but makes even more of them. The throwing away of 1st and 2nd round picks was like Gillis, except we are NOT a competing playoff team. Gillis did it because he needed the team to keep going. This is just crap management.

This management is really Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. They make some good moves, like pro scouting picks (Really love Joshua, Hirose and Kuzmenko) that cost little money, similar to how Gillis did things. Then they'd do some wonky thing like trading a 1st and a 2nd for Hronek out of desperation, realize that they don't have money to sign this RFA and then do this buyout to "save money". This management is unfortunately no better than Benning. We're going to be a very bad team for a long time and we'll no picks to show for it. This management has no plan, unfortunately.

Speaks volumes about who upvoted you lol.

But here's the thing though. Though Tocchet often references Green, his "accountability" in the short term has been much more so than Green. Green had been picking and choosing who to bench. Usually the rookies were the ones to get the so-called tough love. But the problem is that the rest of the roster gets a free pass. Tocchet is less of an old school coach than Green, oddly enough. I like Tocchet's style, and contrary to Green, his style is not offensive stifling. I think Tocchet's communication is better than Green's.

Bouchard had skating issues (at the beginning) and his stock dropped a bit. Funny how he's able to turn it around. It's almost like there's a cause and effect to these things. The Bouchard you know now was not the same as how Juolevi was viewed at the time by all scouts. There's so much revisionist history given how poorly Juolevi turned out, yet his draft projection was high. Top 10 for sure. Go find another draft report that says Juolevi is not a top 10 pick. People will say Sergachev, but he wasn't top 10. In short, people are misremembering facts

Green hasn't had a winning record, from start to finish. Boudreau took Green's exact roster after he was fired and took the team on its run. Small sample, but it speaks volumes about Green's consistent inability to make more from the roster, contrary to what you said. If Green was so great, how did Boudreau do well with a "crap" roster?

OJ isn't squarely to be blamed on Green, but we definitely can point out the number of prospects that didn't do so well under Green. OJ's main downfall was his inability to stay healthy. Green's not a good coach at all, period. You cannot say a losing record coach is a "better" coach. Willie D was a better coach. Bad rosters with a better win percentage. Green has had multiple chances to pick and choose his lineups, and each one was a losing one. Yes, even the bubble team was a losing record one. He did do well in the bubble, but we've seen so little playoff success under Green (and under Benning).

He was also played as a forward, which caused people to speculate whether Woo was actually a bust defenseman. They didn't take into account the Utica (at the time) had a backlog of defenseman and injuries pushed Woo up front. I think that development played a small role in his offensive game. It wasn't a bad thing though, in hindsight. Woo looks like he might crack this NHL lineup. We'll see.