Bertuzzi Babe Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 That's certainly not the only downside. Schneider is not happy with Luongo being here, Luongo is not happy with Luongo being here. I don't care what they say in front of the camera, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out. It's Mark Sanchez & Tim Tebow. If Schneider is outshone by Luongo, that makes it look stupid to trade Luongo. If Luongo is outshone by Schneider, that makes Luongo's perceived value even lower, which translates to a lesser return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 So, King of ES, let me get this straight...this is the starting lineup of the team you think will win the NW: RW - Jarome Iginla Just turned 35, and currently injured. C - Roman Cervenka Never played a game in the NHL, or on North American ice. LW - Mike Cammalleri Hasn't scored more than 50 points in a season since 2008-09. D - Jay Bouwmeester Three seasons with Calgary now (246 games), and a total of 12 goals. -21 last year. D - Dennis Wideman Career -39. G - Mikka Kiprusoff Had a great year last year, but the year before was fairly average. Is 36 now, so some decline isn't totally out of the question. Nobody to back him up if he falters. ...Whereas, this is the starting lineup of a team that will not make the playoffs: RW - Alex Burrows Elite penalty killer, who has also averaged over 27 even-strength goals a season in last 4 years. C - Henrik Sedin Recently won Hart and Art Ross. 1.17 point-per-game average in last 3 seasons. LW - Daniel Sedin Even more recently won Pearson and Art Ross. 1.18 point-per-game average in last 3 seasons. D - Dan Hamhuis Defensive specialist, but in 146 regular season games with Vancouver, already has 10 goals and a +58. D - Kevin Bieksa Not only +20 better than Wideman last season, also had only 2 less points despite having less than half the PP time. G - Cory Schneider Best goalie stats in the league for the last 2 years combined, just entering the prime age for goaltenders. If he falters early, we happen to have a perrenial allstar to take over for him. Is that right? Now that I see it in writing...sure, makes total sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 Must be nice to have that speshul gift of ESP. I betcha if you took this talent of yours to the networks you could get your own reality show on Lifetime and everuthin'....... Perhaps we should just appreciate the fact that we have two, TWO, stellar goalies and let the season play out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Who's on our 2nd line, again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 16, 2013 Author Share Posted January 16, 2013 No point talking depth when comparing to Calgary................since Calgary doesn't have any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolution10 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 When I originally saw this topic I thought it would be a post about how the tide has turned and the Canucks would win the cup this year.. Guess not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Baertschi looked pretty good last year. Glencross is pretty good. Hudler. Tanguay. More than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeeterHansen Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 OK King, but here's what we're doing....we're holding you to this and, when it falls apart (your theory that is) then it's ban time? (your inner troll is shining through) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Canuck Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Edm will be better but somehow doubt they can move into a playoff position. Flames need major work, even fans seem to think that selling Iginla for the long overdue rebuild is in order. Minny will be much better but did Suter benefit from Weber and Nashville's team D? Colorado also didn't improve to the point of challenging the top IMO. In this shortened season having 2 #1 goalies will be a huge benefit. Having a few injuries now may also be of value; when others are starting to feel some burnout fresh legs will be like trade deadline additions. Complacent? Guess that bum Crosby should have gone to Europe, now he'll just be a floater with KoBS logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 More proof you are Jay Feaster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 King is a pessimist as it allows him not to not get that emotionally invested but I have to somewhat agree with him on this one. Not saying that we're for sure going to finish in the basement but we could very well be fighting for a playoff spot on the last day. I've commented such in the last couple of days as well. Number one we are starting the year without a single second line player on our team, except maybe Burrows who is on the first line. We are missing a third line center and have 2 or 3 youngsters that could see the line-up starting day. Unless the Sedins are absolute heros it's going to be a very tough, claw through the muck year. The only thing that may save us is if we keep Lou and platoon he and Schnieder in net all year. We have the system and players to win close games, which is what we've done in the past. Too many changes and uncertainty for me to be comfortable. The only other thing that may save us is that our division is very mediocre. We could pull a SE division and make the playoffs as the third seed while coming in 9th or 10th in the conference pointwise. In this new age of parity where the NHL hands out points like candy (shootouts) and we are only playing 48 games be ready for the whole conference to basically be tied come playoff time. 2 or 3 wins could be the difference between 5-10 spots in the standings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 How does this guy clearly dislike a team so much, yet spend so much time talking about them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuxFan09 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Some of you need to grow some balls or a thicker skin. You may not agree with the OP's post but it was well thought out and, of course, he's entitled to his opinion. @King of the ES: Although you make some good points that I agree with, I ultimately think this team is too good not to make the playoffs. They may not be the dominant force in the regular season that they have been the last few years, but they have enough great elements that they will be one of the top 8 teams in the West come the playoffs. One point of yours I disagree with is that having the Luongo/Schneider tandem is going to be a distraction. The thing with this situation is that both Roberto and Cory are being the ultimate professionals and are accepting and understanding of the situation. We're so used to primadonna's in this league whining and complaining and demanding trades that we just assume that there is unrest in the locker-room but in reality, and this is just my best guess as I'm not actually IN that locker-room, Luongo is taking the high road and Schneider continues to respect the presence of a renowned goalie like Luongo while he's still here. That all being said, it won't be a complete shock to me either if the Canucks do miss out. There are certainly some things working against them this year, their decimated 2nd line being one of the major ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 I think Calgary is marginally better than last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattJVD Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Your threads are almost as bad as those by Mr. Reputable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCR Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 That's certainly not the only downside. Schneider is not happy with Luongo being here, Luongo is not happy with Luongo being here. I don't care what they say in front of the camera, any reasonable person should be able to figure that out. It's Mark Sanchez & Tim Tebow. If Schneider is outshone by Luongo, that makes it look stupid to trade Luongo. If Luongo is outshone by Schneider, that makes Luongo's perceived value even lower, which translates to a lesser return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Some of you need to grow some balls or a thicker skin. You may not agree with the OP's post but it was well thought out and, of course, he's entitled to his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 AV didn't create this, Mike Gillis did. Mike Gillis had ample time to trade Schneider, which is all that we needed to do. This team, plus whatever return we got back from trading Schneider (ideally at the deadline of 2012, or off-season 2011 - would've been something great), plus Luongo in net, equals strength. Instead, we've ended up with two frustrated and annoyed goaltenders, an awkward locker room, and a distraction that will follow us around for the entire year until dealt with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuxFan09 Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 Is this your first time reading a King of ES thread? He has no actual desire to have a real conversation about the team. Every single post he makes is some sort of critisism of this team at every level. Any person who has this little faith in a team would not be a fan of them. He's a troll. And all he likes to do is get a reaction from Canucks fans. Not to mention this topic has already been discussed time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted January 16, 2013 Share Posted January 16, 2013 For crying out loud, can everyone please stop with the "they're friends" argument? It is just ridiculous. Luongo's 34 years old and will not want to be Schneider's backup. If they are indeed "friends", this is the exact thing that will create a divide in their friendship. Open your eyes! Lu's not going to sacrifice the last few great years in his career to be "a nice guy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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