So much for the "reset"

[Ronalds.Kenins41]

what huge change is that? Because he got an extra 1s rounder in a trade that may yet sink this team? I don't see anything new from Gillis, not a single thing.

The new thing is what he won't do. He won't trade for a top 6 with prospect/rentals. That's why many haven't seen it.

Watch this at 18:35 and 28:15 and listen closely it will all make sense. If every canuck fan watched it at those points they would understand the difference from last year and this years philosophy.

[DIBdaQUIB]

The Canucks have all the talent and potential to fill seats and make Aquilini loads of money. Remember, it's a business.

If FA was really serious about doing everything to win a cup, he would have allowed MG to buy-out Lu. That would have set up us up for years with a grade A goaltender just entering his prime at a bargain price and freed up cap space for MG to acquire a top 6 sniper. That would have been a re-set. What we have is a re-arranging of the furniture with a couple of new accent lamps added.

[Absent Canuck]

A lot of people are asking for the far more reasonable 1 top 6 player, while keeping most of our prospects and core. Something like a tween/prospect/pick.

Have you ever seen a version of the Canucks before that was aging like this? Or is this new to you?

When you have a team like this, you are steamrolling towards rebuild. But with unusual talent like this, you might try to take advantage of it to win a stanley cup. Talent like the twins and luongo do not come around every day.

Sitting in the middle, never having a chance to win, getting a lousy draft pick and watching your talent fall apart due to age has got to be the biggest BONE HEAD way to run a hockey team. Period.

[Merci]

The Canucks have all the talent and potential to fill seats and make Aquilini loads of money. Remember, it's a business.

If FA was really serious about doing everything to win a cup, he would have allowed MG to buy-out Lu. That would have set up us up for years with a grade A goaltender just entering his prime at a bargain price and freed up cap space for MG to acquire a top 6 sniper. That would have been a re-set. What we have is a re-arranging of the furniture with a couple of new accent lamps added.

AND NOT DRAFT BO HORVAT?

[CanucksSayEh]

Have you ever seen a version of the Canucks before that was aging like this? Or is this new to you?

When you have a team like this, you are steamrolling towards rebuild. But with unusual talent like this, you might try to take advantage of it to win a stanley cup. Talent like the twins and luongo do not come around every day.

Sitting in the middle, never having a chance to win, getting a lousy draft pick and watching your talent fall apart due to age has got to be the biggest BONE HEAD way to run a hockey team. Period.

Steamrolling to a rebuild is kind of dramatic, we have almost our entire core locked in for half a decade. The future is further away then it seems, and there will be an annual draft with many FA and trade opportunities along the way. Im not saying we should rent players, but rather the opposite. Land a forward that can contribute now and for many years to come. Help the current team, and make our future brighter. E Kane would be such an example, a guy that can help make us contend now, and is only 22. A BC boy too that can step up for the home team.

Leaving the team as is, is what gets you a stretch of mediocrity. We ain't looking too hot now, nor is the next core likely to be as good.

Edit, on second read I think we are on the same page..

[Ronalds.Kenins41]

Trade for some good top six forwards without trading away any draft picks or young prospects. Also, don't trade away any of our quality players or we will complain about it afterwards when they do well somewhere else.

C'mon GMMG, it's just that simple!

+1

This explains the desire of some canucks fans perfectly. MG is screwed either way because he, as you say he is no position to make a trade and if he doesn't make a deal people crucify him for not making bold moves for top 6 forwards. Man just please watch his season ending presser canuck fans in my post above then you will understand why he isn't making the bold moves.

There are like 10 threads everyday saying that we should get a top 6 and like 20 proposals on how to do it but its all for nothing when you throw in a player not on the market or throw in a draft pick.

[Quoted]

+1

This explains the desire of some canucks fans perfectly. MG is screwed either way because he, as you say he is no position to make a trade and if he doesn't make a deal people crucify him for not making bold moves for top 6 forwards. Man just please watch his season ending presser canuck fans in my post above then you will understand why he isn't making the bold moves.

There are like 10 threads everyday saying that we should get a top 6 and like 20 proposals on how to do it but its all for nothing when you throw in a player not on the market or throw in a draft pick.

Yeah, he's in a tough spot. Even if he wanted to, how many moves are even out there to make? How many trades have happened this year league-wide??

[CanucksSayEh]

Yeah, he's in a tough spot. Even if he wanted to, how many moves are even out there to make? How many trades have happened this year league-wide??

Everyone has a price. He gets the big bucks to make things available. Yea it's not easy, if it was it wouldn't be important. A lot of the issues that come up when talking trades, have been of his own making. He signs the contracts and manages the picks/assets. Our problems aren't exactly new either, the same holes have lingered for a few seasons. There has been ample time.

We will see come deadline day what other clubs do, but for us right now is a more preferable time as we are hard pressed just getting to the playoffs.

[Ronalds.Kenins41]

Everyone has a price. He gets the big bucks to make things available. Yea it's not easy, if it was it wouldn't be important. A lot of the issues that come up when talking trades, have been of his own making. He signs the contracts and manages the picks/assets. Our problems aren't exactly new either, the same holes have lingered for a few seasons. There has been ample time.

We will see come deadline day what other clubs do, but for us right now is a more preferable time as we are hard pressed just getting to the playoffs.

MG is a smart man. He knows if trade will improve the team or not. Right now all he see's is moves that will make the team worse.

If you were MG and saw what he saw would you then make the deal? No, thats why there hasn't been the deal your looking for. You clearly need to watch his year end presser at 28:15 as a reporter asked him why he doesn't make bold moves and he gave a long, elaborate answer.

[Angry Goose]

I like how people conviently ignore that youngsters like Jensen & Guance sucked and have no reason to be in the NHL atm, and that Shinkaruk/Horvat made a real push but ultimately getting stronger/WJC's was a smarter decision.

MG knows the organization has to get younger. I think you will see that with any trade from here on and for example Welsh/Dalpe

[stawns]

The new thing is what he won't do. He won't trade for a top 6 with prospect/rentals. That's why many haven't seen it.

Watch this at 18:35 and 28:15 and listen closely it will all make sense. If every canuck fan watched it at those points they would understand the difference from last year and this years philosophy.

when has he ever traded for a top 6 with anything? He has a glut of tweeners and some depth at D. He should be looking there and maybe one young player/prospect/draft pick. He has some options, he's just not doing anything but keeping this team in the lower middle of the pack.......the worst possible place to be.

I don't think anyone wants a rental, there are players with contracts out there to be had, and other GM's make those deals, why can't he? After all, he promised "bold moves" did he not?

[Nuxfanabroad]

Yeah, tired of the skeptics & bandwagon-approach.

[CanucksSayEh]

MG is a smart man. He knows if trade will improve the team or not. Right now all he see's is moves that will make the team worse.

If you were MG and saw what he saw would you then make the deal? No, thats why there hasn't been the deal your looking for. You clearly need to watch his year end presser at 28:15 as a reporter asked him why he doesn't make bold moves and he gave a long, elaborate answer.

MG has made trades that have not improved the team already. Im not claiming to see what he sees, not gonna assume he is correct in his interpretation of whatever it is either. For all I know he sweats so much in interviews because he's relapsing, and actually sees pink elephants doing the limbo when he looks down from his press box. GM's are paid a lot to talk, so not gonna take everything at his word either. He's a politician with a sports team.

[stawns]

I like how people conviently ignore that youngsters like Jensen & Guance sucked and have no reason to be in the NHL atm, and that Shinkaruk/Horvat made a real push but ultimately getting stronger/WJC's was a smarter decision.

MG knows the organization has to get younger. I think you will see that with any trade from here on and for example Welsh/Dalpe

of the big 4 prospects, gaunce was clearly the best of the 4, and most ready for pro hockey. We'll see him and Shink in Chicago nextr year, and Horvat back for one more year of Junior.

[Ronalds.Kenins41]

I like how people conviently ignore that youngsters like Jensen & Guance sucked and have no reason to be in the NHL atm, and that Shinkaruk/Horvat made a real push but ultimately getting stronger/WJC's was a smarter decision.

MG knows the organization has to get younger. I think you will see that with any trade from here on and for example Welsh/Dalpe

I admit that I am one of those people and you know why? Cause MG's old philosophy did not focus on drafting well it focused on winning the cup and trading whatever you can to do that be it draft picks/prospects. Then he changed his philosophy when he said reset. All of a sudden the draft means everything to this franchise. Look at who we drafted past this year

Bo Horvat

Hunter Shinkaruk

Cole Cassels

Jordan Subban

You can make a case that the last two names are doing better than our last two first round picks did when they were first drafted. I expected MG to have a good draft and from what is seen so far he did and I expect the next one to be good as well because that is what he said he will do.

[Ronalds.Kenins41]

MG has made trades that have not improved the team already. Im not claiming to see what he sees, not gonna assume he is correct in his interpretation of whatever it is either. For all I know he sweats so much in interviews because he's relapsing, and actually sees pink elephants doing the limbo when he looks down from his press box. GM's are paid a lot to talk, so not gonna take everything at his word either. He's a politician with a sports team.

You conveniently ignored the fact it was a hot day in May, he's wearing a warm suit, is drinking water to try and cool himself down, has a bright light flashing at him, is in a room full of people with no windows. He is as red as a rose in that interview. Maybe that's why he is sweating.

at MG is politician

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[KnucckleHead]

Too bad he waited so long until deciding it was a good idea to hold onto to top assets...

Our drafting over the years has been less than par whether thats from poor drafting or poor developing? Maybe BOTH??? So for that reason the Canucks do trade there prospects cause usually they end up being busts like P White (1st rd), T.Ellington (2nd rd) Jensen (1st rd), Y.Suave (2nd rd), Schroeder (1st), Rodin (2nd), Connauton (3rd), P.McNally, A,Polasek, D.Honzik, etc, etc, etc...

[CanucksSayEh]

Our drafting over the years has been less than par whether thats from poor drafting or poor developing? Maybe BOTH??? So for that reason the Canucks do trade there prospects cause usually they end up being busts like P White (1st rd), T.Ellington (2nd rd) Jensen (1st rd), Y.Suave (2nd rd), Schroeder (1st), Rodin (2nd), Connauton (3rd), P.McNally, A,Polasek, D.Honzik, etc, etc, etc...

Yea it's left a lot to be desired, but a few gems have poked through. Coho, Schnieds, Edler, Hansen ect. Also have some good ones now in Gaunce, Corrado, Shink and Bo. All valuable to a lot of teams out there. Unfortunate 2 were traded for more rolls of the dice rather than a sure thing.

[Ronalds.Kenins41]

Yea it's left a lot to be desired, but a few gems have poked through. Coho, Schnieds, Edler, Hansen ect. Also have some good ones now in Gaunce, Corrado, Shink and Bo. All valuable to a lot of teams out there. Unfortunate 2 were traded for more rolls of the dice rather than a sure thing.

Yup can forgive MG for everything but Hodgson trade will be hard for many to get over.

[CanucksSayEh]

I wonder how Snow would have felt about an offer in the offseason of Coho, Schnieder and Edler for Tavares. All 3 pieces fill a need, and quite exceptionally at that.