tas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hi, so...Gaustad is a better player than Hansen? Gaustad got a 1st+ in a deeper draft remember buffalo had to throw in a 4th with gaustad to get a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 We have a lot of assets in play that could make a re-tool very smooth. On my list of players leaving and it makes me very sad that it has come to this especially for my favorite player on the team Edler (from my hometown in Sweden) Edler Burrows Hansen Weise Luongo - for the right price Booth Schroeder Dalpe I think those are the pieces that makes the most sense to move. Sedin - Sedin - ________ _____ - Kesler - Kassian Higgins - Santo - ________ Sestito - Richardson -________ Hamhuis - Bieksa Garrison - Tanev Stanton - Corrado Knocking on the door: Bo Horvat Brendan Gaunce Alexandre Grenier One comment, Burrows has been having an off year, but he has been a great fit with the Sedins. They played their best this year when he was with them. Trading him won't and shouldn't happen in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 3rd liners don't get 1st round picks. Comparable trades Regehr got Buffalo a 2014, 2015 2nd round pick Clowe the rental got the Sharks a 2013 3rd and 2014 2nd Erat and Laata cost Philip Forsberg Gaustad net a 4th AND a 1st John Scott got a 5th round pick (ya that John Scott) Eric Belanger got a 2nd MacArthur got a 3rd and 4th Andrew Alberts cost a 3rd Lapierre cost a 3rd Leopold cost a 2nd and 2 players Moore cost a 2nd Antropov a 2nd and conditional The most common theme here is that these players all went prior to the deadline or at the deadline, almost universally all of them are or were rentals. To say that hansen a 3rd liner who has shifted fairly seamlessly from the 3rd to 1st line is not worth a 1st round pick in a shallow draft to a contending team is strange knowing how teams overpay for rentals. Especially when you look at his contract and just how friendly it really is. A 1st round pick from the 20th to 30th position is not unlikely but more likely is multiple 2nd round picks or a 2nd and 3rd right away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 buffalo had to throw in a 4th with gaustad to get a 1st. Quit arguing semantics. Gaustad got a 1st round pick in return. Doesn't matter if he had to give Poile a box of timbits as well. He got a 1st round pick in a trade. Not unlikely that Hansen could get the same return to a contending team in the top 10 in the league or bottom 20 of the draft (depending on how you look at it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Comparable trades Regehr got Buffalo a 2014, 2015 2nd round pick Clowe the rental got the Sharks a 2013 3rd and 2014 2nd Erat and Laata cost Philip Forsberg Gaustad net a 4th AND a 1st John Scott got a 5th round pick (ya that John Scott) Eric Belanger got a 2nd MacArthur got a 3rd and 4th Andrew Alberts cost a 3rd Lapierre cost a 3rd Leopold cost a 2nd and 2 players Moore cost a 2nd Antropov a 2nd and conditional The most common theme here is that these players all went prior to the deadline or at the deadline, almost universally all of them are or were rentals. To say that hansen a 3rd liner who has shifted fairly seamlessly from the 3rd to 1st line is not worth a 1st round pick in a shallow draft to a contending team is strange knowing how teams overpay for rentals. Especially when you look at his contract and just how friendly it really is. A 1st round pick from the 20th to 30th position is not unlikely but more likely is multiple 2nd round picks or a 2nd and 3rd right away no, he didn't. and look at my list of the trades on the previous page. the comparable are better and more recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferlands_Head Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Any competent NHL GM would've known this team needed a re-tool and would've done so in the off season. I don't know why he thought he could just sign Richardson Santorelli and Stanton and think it was good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 no, he didn't. and look at my list of the trades on the previous page. the comparable are better and more recent. That list only goes as far back as 2010/2011....that's very recent. Pardon Gaustad AND a 4th net a 1st round pick, my mistake. Again though the bulk of all of those players were rentals. hansen is a solid 3rd line player who can slide in to the 2nd line role seamlessly and is a PK monster with a seriously friendly cap hit and contract. It's only your opinion at this point that says he couldn't garner a 1st round pick. But if you note I also say that a couple of 2nds and or a 2nd or 3rd is more reasonable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 interesting that you mention alexandre daigle. daigle: 616 gp 129 g 198 a 327 p kesler: 633 gp 175 g 209 a 384 p hmm. are you trying to sat that is close? a 60 point difference in less than 20 games? plus daigle played before the dead puck era actually, daigle played IN the dead puck era, whereas kesler played after it. and that point difference amounts to 0.6 ppg vs 0.53 ppg. sure, it's a difference, bit really it's only a difference of 60 points over 600 games, which is what, about 8 points per season? and kesler has had he luxury of playing on far better teams. Daigle highly touted as the next great one the Gretzky replacement by and large the #1 overall pick in the last 3 drafts the kid is a natural a surefire bet cannot miss all that talent. Picked ahead of Pronger Neidermeyer, Kariya, Bertuzzi Dead marsh and Koivu. 137 points in 53 games in the QMJHL. Kesler, picked 23rd ahead of Richards and Perry? Targeted as a 3rd line center at best....yes I can see the comparison. Kesler IS productive. Drouin could bust as easily as boom. That si why I question why people say such foolish things as Kesler si nto worth a prospect 1 to 1 don't worry, i know what you meant. my point was merely that to "daigle" means to disappoint while producing at roughly the same rate as kesler, the same player whose value you're espousing so vigorously. Your right points are close, but their game wasn't. Kesler is a Selke player, shutting down the opposition and getting points. Where as Daigle wasn't a 2way player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Quit arguing semantics. Gaustad got a 1st round pick in return. Doesn't matter if he had to give Poile a box of timbits as well. He got a 1st round pick in a trade. Not unlikely that Hansen could get the same return to a contending team in the top 10 in the league or bottom 20 of the draft (depending on how you look at it) Gaustad is a 6"5 center. There are hundreds of players in the NHL that can replace what hansen brings. A small grinder with speed that is ok defensively. He works hard but every team has players like hansen. He's not worth anything near a first. I like Hansen but he offers very little to a team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canada Hockey Place Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Sounds more like TV guys trying to hype up their trade deadline show. Which was a televised disaster last year. "Re-tool" is a pretty convenient buzz word which could mean anything from 1 trade up to a full rebuild. 29 other teams make trades to improve their team. But the Canucks re-tool because we're special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Gaustad is a 6"5 center. There are hundreds of players in the NHL that can replace what hansen brings. A small grinder with speed that is ok defensively. He works hard but every team has players like hansen. He's not worth anything near a first. I like Hansen but he offers very little to a team. Jannik Hansen is a 30/40 point pk specialist and fore checker who can work from the 3rd to emergency 1st line under an incredibly friendly contract and is 27 years old Gaustad is a slow 31 year old 20 point center who hasn't actually even breached the 20 point plateau since 07/08 and is making $3.25 million until 2016 There is definite value in Hansen to the right team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE14 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Jannik Hansen is a 30/40 point pk specialist and fore checker who can work from the 3rd to emergency 1st line under an incredibly friendly contract and is 27 years old Gaustad is a slow 31 year old 20 point center who hasn't actually even breached the 20 point plateau since 07/08 and is making $3.25 million until 2016 There is definite value in Hansen to the right team I'm not saying Hansen isn't worth whatever you think he's worth but god damn you're biased. Gausted is a 6'5 faceoff specialist. He's the player you want on your 3rd line (think Manny Malholtra lite). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Stanley Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Kesler is our best asset, he is 29 though and likely will be a top 6 guy for only 3 more years. After that he will be a valuable 3rd line C who should still be decent enough to shut down most team's top line I would actually move him because he could get us quite a bit back. IMO we need to acquire 4 things, we could accomplish these with minimum 3 players 1. A future 1C - ex Johanssen - but he is having such a break out season I doubt Columbus moves him 2. A true #1 defensman - this franchise has never had that 3.A true top line sniper 4. Top 6 Grit Edler Kesler 2014 1st Jensen for Johansen Murray 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I'm not saying Hansen isn't worth whatever you think he's worth but god damn you're biased. Gausted is a 6'5 faceoff specialist. He's the player you want on your 3rd line (think Manny Malholtra). He's a 4th line center at best. Manny had wheels, 3rd line checking centers have speed. Sending Gaustad in to forecheck or expecting him to back check is a large part of the reason Nashville is suffering so badly on their bottom 6. And I am not Biased, I am stating very clearly Hansen to the right team is worth a 1st round pick. This isn't an argument it is a statement of fact. At the deadline there are teams who will give up a 1st round pick in the 20-30 spot for a guy like Hansen. No bias, just reality. Teams overpay at the deadline. but again, totally disregard the fact I said a couple of 2nd round picks or a 2nd and 3rd is more realistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hockeyfan90 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 There probably is value for Hansen, but pretty much guaranteed that what we get as a return won't be satisfactory for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE14 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Edler Kesler 2014 1st Jensen for Johansen Murray 2nd Overpayment. Kesler and Edler should get that package especially if CBJ owners want to win now and finally get results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Overpayment. Kesler and Edler should get that package especially if CBJ owners want to win now and finally get results. Yikes, seperately Kesler and Edler net a larger return than that and all we give up is 2 players and a lot of contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JE14 Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Yikes, seperately Kesler and Edler net a larger return than that and all we give up is 2 players and a lot of contract If CBJ offered Murray and Johansen for Kesler and Edler I would hope MG takes that deal and runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 If CBJ offered Murray and Johansen for Kesler and Edler I would hope MG takes that deal and runs. Oh they'd HAVE to offer more. Gotta know that Kesler alone is worth a 1st and a blue chip prospect, Edler is worth a 1st and a blue chip prospect. Top pairing D men under decent contracts and top 6 winger/center players with Selke trophies under the age of 30 do not hit the market like ever and every team in the league would come calling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Stanley Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 alternatively if we want to 're-tool' I do think an edler + - for ROR could be a game changer and then a second side deal dor a dman Edler Hansen jensen for ROR + 3rd - not sure why colorado would say no to this, they get a solid prospect with size, a top 3 D man who will mesh nicely with all their young players, and they unload a big cap hit. Plus Hansen gives them good depth Corrado + schroeder+Grenier for Girardi (resigned) this is a retool - on average we do not get younger, but we change the dynamic of our team keser ROR kassian Sedin sedin Burrows Higgins Horvat Santo Sestito Richardsson Lain Hammer Girardi Garrison Bieksa Stanton Tanev Luongo Lack now that team is competitive in the present and in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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