Coronavirus outbreak

[towtruck]

1 minute ago, Sean Monahan said:

A recently joined account makes its first posts on CDC in the covid thread to espouse the value of Sweden’s covid plan. 
 

Why am I a little suspicious?

There's nothing to be suspicious about. Facts are facts. Overall the Swedish approach seems to be the obvious choice as well.

[samurai]

12 minutes ago, Petey40 said:

Isn’t the US school system having major transmission as we speak? 

It depends where you look.  I looked at reported data last week from infections in Georgia and Texas which are two states that have reported high infections population wide.  Again what I saw was a person here or there.  I did see one case of 33 in Georgia but it applied to a whole district and involved employees.  One of the largest groups from this group of 33 were janitors.  My guess is they were required to test.   

 

I have seen probably like many the stories of some universities in the States.  Dorm life and gatherings (partying) are two major causes.   Universities here are officially online but professors can offer face to face if they choose.  Students can opt out though.  At my university students have been taking classes since mid July.  In this period and until about 2 weeks ago we were kind of like BC and most of the world now - our infection cases exploded. 

 

 

[kingofsurrey]

42 minutes ago, samurai said:

Wow - fair and well thought out.   Want to buy a bridge

How do i say this in a nice way....  hmmmm

 

I think most people here actually care more about Covid transmission rates here in. BC. more than covid rates in Japan where you live.

Can you wrap your head around that for a moment ?

 

Covid rates in BC are up 1000 % over the last few months .  Are you good at Math ? Do you realize what this means to us in BC ?

 

BC Parents are rightfully worried.  BC Parents love their kids and want them safe - all day - SAFE everyday at school.

 

BC students and BC school workers  deserve to be safe at all times in schools.... not chucked into some random experiment by Dr. B based on a hunch she had 3 months ago.

No masks, no social distancing. 30 kids in a poorly ventilated portable classroom all day is not following the SCIENCE of how this COVID virus spreads...

 

For you to fail to understand this is more a reflection of who you are as a person.  I could care less what you think of me.  I see you exactly for who / what you are.

Edited September 16, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[kingofsurrey]

6 minutes ago, Petey40 said:

Samurai and towtruck are the same person 

Trumpophile meets an  anti vaxer....  - not a pretty sight. 

Edited September 16, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[samurai]

1 minute ago, kingofsurrey said:

udnHow do i say this in a nice way....  hmmmm

 

I think most people here actually care more about Covid transmission rates here in. BC. more than covid rates in Japan where you live.

Can you wrap your head around that for a moment ?

 

Covid rates in BC are up 1000 % over the last few months .  Are you good at Math ? Do you realize what this means to us in BC ?

 

BC Parents are rightfully worried.  BC Parents love their kids and want them safe - all day - SAFE everyday at school.

 

BC students and BC school workers  deserve to be safe at all times in schools.... not chucked into some random experiment by Dr. B based on a hunch she had 3 months ago.

No masks, no social distancing. 30 kids in a poorly ventilated portable classroom all day is not following the SCIENCE of how this COVID virus spreads...

 

For you to fail to understand this is more a reflection of who you are as a person.  I could care less what you think of me.  I see you exactly for who / what you are.

The stats and evidence around the world don't support your fear mongering.  it is that simple.   

 

 

 

[kingofsurrey]

1 minute ago, samurai said:

The stats and evidence around the world don't support your fear mongering.  it is that simple.   

 

 

 

Trump said the same comment to Dr Faucci. wow thats scarey....

 

1000 % growth rate in BC  -  you are simply completely out of touch with this province.  How long you lived in Japan now ? Do you ever come back to BC to visit ?

Edited September 16, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[stawns]

36 minutes ago, towtruck said:

Agreed, and why shouldn't they be? We haven't had a single fatality under 19. I'd much rather my kid become immune to this disease by actually getting it than get injected with a vaccine which will probably have a measurable death rate. Guaranteed if all kids are vaccinated more will die from the vaccination than from the disease. I'm not anti vax, but I certainly am when the vaccine is meant for such a mild disease. Old folks who are at risk should go ahead and be vaccinated.

We've also kept our kids very sheltered for the last 6 months.  We, truly, don't know what effect the virus is going to have on kids.  It's also likely that death isn't going to be the ultimate measure if the virus, but long term effects.

[samurai]

Just now, kingofsurrey said:

1000 % growth rate in BC  -  you are simply completely out of touch with this province.  How long you lived in Japan now ? Do you ever come back to BC to visit ?

Was there in the summer.  Weekly flights from Tokyo.   

[Petey40]

4 minutes ago, samurai said:

It depends where you look.  I looked at reported data last week from infections in Georgia and Texas which are two states that have reported high infections population wide.  Again what I saw was a person here or there.  I did see one case of 33 in Georgia but it applied to a whole district and involved employees.  One of the largest groups from this group of 33 were janitors.  My guess is they were required to test.   

 

I have seen probably like many the stories of some universities in the States.  Dorm life and gatherings (partying) are two major causes.   Universities here are officially online but professors can offer face to face if they choose.  Students can opt out though.  At my university students have been taking classes since mid July.  In this period and until about 2 weeks ago we were kind of like BC and most of the world now - our infection cases exploded. 

 

 

The colleges and universities in the US are having tons of outbreaks and cases, but I think you guys are more talking about elementary and high schools? So maybe that’s not really relevant. 

[kingofsurrey]

7 minutes ago, samurai said:

Was there in the summer.  Weekly flights from Tokyo.   

You live in a country with 0. % covid transmission rate increase

I live in a province with a 1000 % covid transmission rate increase.

 

Your failure to have empathy / understand what we are going through in BC , says. alot about the person you are.   

Edited September 16, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[kingofsurrey]

11 minutes ago, Petey40 said:

The colleges and universities in the US are having tons of outbreaks and cases, but I think you guys are more talking about elementary and high schools? So maybe that’s not really relevant. 

Quebec schools went back before BC schools with same rules in place pretty much as BC.

Quebec is gone to code yellow.... next step for them is back to lockdown.......  S is about to get real in Quebec. 

 

Todays info.. Quebec kids grad after gr. 11

 

• 377 students and staff have tested positive in Quebec schools
• Health system is ‘very fragile,’ Dubé warns
• ‘I’m very worried,’ Legault says as cases continue to rise
• Legault urges Quebecers not to have gatherings at home

Edited September 16, 2020 by kingofsurrey

[samurai]

11 minutes ago, Petey40 said:

The colleges and universities in the US are having tons of outbreaks and cases, but I think you guys are more talking about elementary and high schools? So maybe that’s not really relevant. 

Yes, not universities.  Last week they had the Minister of Education on TV here talking about uni's.  What he said is that the issue with uni's is the 19 plus year olds have social lives that involve activities and places that are the chief spreaders.  Working part-time in a bar, drinking with friends and so forth.    Of course it is spreading amongst them now because of the lock down in the spring.  

Edited September 16, 2020 by samurai

[samurai]

4 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

You live in a country with 0. % covid transmission rate increases

I live in a province with a 1000 % covid transmission rate increase.

 

Your failure to have empathy / understand what we are going through in BC , says. alot about the person you are.   

 

Can you provide the site where you got this 1000% number from?    Or is it your math?

 

[Petey40]

2 minutes ago, samurai said:

Yes, not universities.  Last week they had the Ministry of Education on TV here talking about uni's.  What he said is that the issue with uni's is the 19 plus year olds have social lives that involve activities and places that are the chief spreaders.  Working part-time in a bar, drinking with friends and so forth.    Of course it is spreading amongst them now because of the lock down in the spring.  

I mean high school students definitely have very similar social lives as university students so that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, high school kids are constantly drinking/partying or going out with their friends and usually in large groups as well. They also tend to have part time jobs a lot of the time, the only real difference between a high school student and college student is the ability to go to a pub.. 

[kingofsurrey]

1 minute ago, samurai said:

 

Can you provide the site where you got this 1000% number from?    Or is it your math?

 

BC was 10 cases  per day ( approx )  before summer.   Now we are 100 per day. ( approx ) .  

 

By my bad math that is 1000 % increase.

 

What does your math say about it ?

 

[samurai]

1 minute ago, Petey40 said:

I mean high school students definitely have very similar social lives as university students so that doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, high school kids are constantly drinking/partying or going out with their friends and usually in large groups as well. They also tend to have part time jobs a lot of the time, the only real difference between a high school student and college student is the ability to go to a pub.. 

Perhaps, definitely not the case here in Asia - high school here is quite different.  Kids don't go out partying.  But then you would look at the data in Euro and again the school data doesn't suggest major transmission at the high school level.  My friend his son has started uni in Prague face to face.  They are like BC at the moment with numbers rising but he is still at uni.  

 

I get your point.  The difference between senior high school and uni in terms of social activities can be quite similar. It was for me.

 

[samurai]

11 minutes ago, kingofsurrey said:

BC was 10 cases  per day ( approx )  before summer.   Now we are 100 per day. ( approx ) .  

 

By my bad math that is 1000 % increase.

 

What does your math say about it ?

 

 

why do you think the numbers have jumped?

 

[Petey40]

15 minutes ago, samurai said:

Perhaps, definitely not the case here in Asia - high school here is quite different.  Kids don't go out partying.  But then you would look at the data in Euro and again the school data doesn't suggest major transmission at the high school level.  My friend his son has started uni in Prague face to face.  They are like BC at the moment with numbers rising but he is still at uni.  

 

I get your point.  The difference between senior high school and uni in terms of social activities can be quite similar. It was for me.

 

Totally. Re-opening the schools is still pretty fresh in Canada so it remains to be seen how it will all play out. But I dunno, the same people everyone was happy to trust and put their faith in at the start of the Pandemic are making these decisions as well so I don’t know why their opinion of them has changed. They’re the elected officials and experts we’re supposed to be trusting with this so why aren’t we trusting them suddenly? I understand the fear this virus causes but I don’t understand why the sudden change in trust since the start. I remember everyone on this very thread saying listen to Bonnie Henry’s and John Horgan’s guidance, what has changed?

Edited September 16, 2020 by Petey40

[samurai]

1 minute ago, Petey40 said:

Totally, re-opening the schools is still pretty fresh in Canada so it remains to be seen how it will all play out. But I dunno, the same people everyone was happy to trust and put their faith in at the start of the Pandemic are making these decisions as well so I don’t know why their opinion of them has changed. They’re the elected officials and experts were supposed to be trusting with this so why aren’t we trusting them suddenly? I understand the fear this virus causes but I don’t understand why the sudden change in trust since the start. I remember everyone on this very thread saying listen to Bonnie Henry’s and John Horgan’s guidance, what has changed?

Yes, it is a bit perplexing.   My analysis of her work to date is that she is very well-informed,  cautious and recognizes that across the board lockdowns are not permanent solutions and do massive indirect damage.  Last week they shutdown night clubs to stop the spread.  That tells me they are trying to target carefully.   The gov't in BC I think is handling things very competently. 

 

I think there are multiple reasons why people are dumping on her and gov't.  One being that they watch too much US TV where the media has tied any kind of opening or loosening to Trump.  There are few fans of Fox news on this site and we all know what Fox thinks of lockdowns.   They see that and then get distressed when BC does some easing of measures.  

 

[-DLC-]

I think it's changing because, at first, this thing was very new and we gave them the benefit of the doubt in the figuring out stage.  But recently, some decisions just don't make sense to some.  You can only use the "be kind" so long and as people were tuning it all out, it was time to take a tougher stance (but they didn't).  I do know that they wanted to allow for a bit of summer fun so they could then get people to re-focus on buckling down again come Fall/Winter when we'd have to move indoors.  I got that.  But what actually has happened is many people are just over this thing now because they got used to normal life again and and don't want to re engage in the process.   They sent them a message that things were "ok" to open up and that has stuck.

 

To bounce back and forth is considered mixed messages to those who want excuses not to continue with safety practices.  There is a lot of resistance and people are increasingly challenging the numbers, testing, etc.  Basically they don't trust any of it..for convenience sake.  

 

So by breaking the trend of consistency to allow for some freedom, they sent some the message that "we're good".  Not really their fault...but they didn't really consider how their message to expand bubbles and go out and have fun would be taken as moving forward rather than temporarily.