2023 NHL Entry Draft

[LucBourdon28]

5 hours ago, R3aL said:

He has a lot of JT MILLER and Tkachuk in his game for sure. But we aren’t trading JL and our pick to move up for him I don’t think 

Here is why I think it can work. If Canucks are hoping to compete with this core we need a pick in this draft that can help us in 2-3 years versus a player than can help in 4-5 years. 

[Herberts Vasiljevs]

11 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Nervous they'll trade the #11 for a D. Really surprised they bought out OEL, so nothing would shock me if they did something else bold. I hope they keep the pick and get a really good prospect developing. 

 

Young players developing:

 

Hoglander - Raty - Karlsson

McDonough - [DVORSKY or DANIELSON] - Lekkerimaki

Bains - ? - Klimovich

Bloom

 

[SIMASHEV] - [REINBACHER or WILLANDER]

Rathbone - Woo

Hirose - Johansson

Pettersson

Kudryavtsev

Jurmo

 

Any one of those 5 guys

I doubt they actually trade the pick unless it is to move up/down.

[R3aL]

26 minutes ago, LucBourdon28 said:

Here is why I think it can work. If Canucks are hoping to compete with this core we need a pick in this draft that can help us in 2-3 years versus a player than can help in 4-5 years. 

He was Alvins first draft pick. They believe in him as a player. I confidently believe they aren't trading him. If we do quote me and tell me im silly please! 

[Pure961089]

51 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Nervous they'll trade the #11 for a D. Really surprised they bought out OEL, so nothing would shock me if they did something else bold. I hope they keep the pick and get a really good prospect developing. 

 

Young players developing:

 

Hoglander - Raty - Karlsson

McDonough - [DVORSKY or DANIELSON] - Lekkerimaki

Bains - ? - Klimovich

Bloom

 

[SIMASHEV] - [REINBACHER or WILLANDER]

Rathbone - Woo

Hirose - Johansson

Pettersson

Kudryavtsev

Jurmo

 

Any one of those 5 guys

There's also C Sasson 22 and D Truscott 21. Truscott is listed as a LD but he has been paired with Luke Hughes playing on the right side. So left handed right D.  Predictable stay at home smooth skating, I'm curious to see where he's at in his development.  Sasson played a hard nosed role in Abby's playoff run with Hoglander.  Also McWard rhd only just turned 22 this month. Great depth piece that has enough upside to grow into a top 6 D.  He has size and put up points at a pretty good clip in the NCAA.

 

 

 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Pure961089

[Kuzy]

17 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

Michkov Gretzky Gaborik

Tryamkin Benning

 

Our first line is going to be awesome this year. 

I just threw up in my mouth a little

[Pure961089]

54 minutes ago, LucBourdon28 said:

Here is why I think it can work. If Canucks are hoping to compete with this core we need a pick in this draft that can help us in 2-3 years versus a player than can help in 4-5 years. 

I agree, but the sure way to get a player that can contribute in the next couple years is drafting as high as you can.  The more you trade down in the draft the likelihood of that happening drops off dramatically. 

[Primo604]

On 6/19/2023 at 1:39 AM, R3aL said:

Snuggerud is very good in all fairness but ya stripped and out muscled rough that moment in that game aha

That wasn’t even ASP that got stripped and outmuscled. Although he was pretty weak on defending the pass. 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Primo604

[HighOnHockey]

2 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

Yup I agree on that. Leonard is the guy I had my sights on and was hoping he might somehow slip. Perfect player for us, we need everything he brings but yeah he's 90% gone by our pick. 

 

What is your thinking on Dvorsky's playmaking and offensive skill? Do you think he's going to be a top point producer like a first line guy, second line Kesler type, or third liner defensive specialist? I have a super tough time getting a read on his future.

I don't really love using the "1C, 2C,..." rubrik, because it can vary so much depending on the team one is on at a given time. I think he'll end up the guy who he could play 1C if needed, but best case scenario he's probably the defensive 2C behind a more skilled 1C. Not so much like a Kesler or Fisher because he doesn't have those guys' speed, but I definitely think he's a better playmaker than them. Let's call it an 18-21 minute-per-game center who plays regularly on both the PP and PK.

 

I know Alex Holtz is a winger, but Dvorsky reminds me of him in a couple significant ways: they were both elite skill guys in junior who would tend to overhandle and hold on to the puck too long, but the problem was I think both are better playmakers off the puck - skating routes, supporting play, finding openings - than they are on the puck. So when they turned pro and suddenly weren't always the one their teammataes were looking for and they didn't have the puck all the time, it was actually better for them long-term, developing the aspects of their games that will be most translatable to the NHL.

 

I also love Dvorsky's passing game. He has such a soft touch just laying or flipping pucks into areas that almost always manages to just slip past (or under) opponent's sticks and into the wheelhouse of a teammate. His stickhandling is good, but nowhere near elite, he'll be more of a puck-protection guy to evade defenders putting his body between the puck and opponent, and using his arms to stiff arm people and shimmy sticks. His skating would probably have to be considered his weakest attribute. It's not bad, but just all around pretty meh. some guys will be burners but don't have great edges, while others could figure skate but should never try speed-skating. Dvorsky is just kinda average in terms of speed, acceleration, edges, evasiveness. Nothing really stands out as good or bad.

 

While I'd say his best attributes are his heaviness/puck-protection and his off-puck playmaking, as far as pure skill, his best attribute is his shot- hard, accurate, and he can get it off pretty quickly from a variety of angles. I've seen comparisons to Bo Horvat and Ryan O'Reilly and those are ok, but I think he's a better skater than they were at the same age, and I also think he plays a heavier game than them, so Brayden Schenn would probably be as close as you can get. Both were elite offensive players in junior (remember Schenn's monster WJC?), but while they are/will be extremely useful players players in the NHL, they might not put up the kinds of offensive numbers some fans will hope for.

 

That said, the reason I've toyed with having him in my top five ahead of Will Smith at different times throughout the year is, there are flashes when I'm watching him where I can't shake the feeling that he reminds me a little bit of Leon Draisaitl at that age - who I saw a lot of live, living in Saskatoon where P.A. are division rivals; Draisaitl wasn't the greatest skater at that age either, but was thought of primarily as a heavy, man-among-boys with elite IQ and playmaking, although admittedly his hands were a little better.

Edited June 20, 2023 by HighOnHockey

[DrJockitch]

1 hour ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said:

I doubt they actually trade the pick unless it is to move up/down.

I have been saying since the end of the season that we would trade next years first for cap space.  With the buyout of OEL now there isn't the pressure to find cap but oddly I feel that it is now this years first in play.

No evidence behind this, just a feeling based on the short-sighted management approach being forced by ownership.

[R3aL]

31 minutes ago, Primo604 said:

That wasn’t even ASP that got stripped and outmuscled. Although he was pretty weak on defending the pass. 

Yea we talked about it right after if you scroll down. I saw the shoutout to be neg vs ASP watched the clip far too quickly on my phone. And that was the most egregious part of the clip

[HighOnHockey]

8 hours ago, R3aL said:

I didn’t know that about Michkov 

 

isnt miro considered to be a good kid? A good leader? 
 

would them fighting / arguing being more truth to the Michkov attitude / asshole stuff circulating lol

 

i could see ovie signing a 1yr deal at least once though at the end 

 

brutal reference! Haha

Yeah Miro was the captain at YOGs. Maybe at Hlinkas too, although I don't quite recall. I don't think I'd heard anything about Michkov's attitude, although it wouldn't surprise me. Hard not to be cocky when you're that good at that age.

 

Given the climate even in North America in recent years where political discourse is so prevalent in everyday conversation, I wondered if their beef may have been related to that. I can only imagine how heated things are in Russia in recent years. If Michkov is more of a nationalist, while we know Miro has been trying to come to North America for years. Remember he was set to go to the USHL his D-1 year when covid hit and they wouldn't accept new international transfers. He sat out most of the season until January hoping to play USHL before finally playing MHL. He went to Germany for his cancer treatment. I dunno man, I kinda hate this gossipy speculative shit, but I guess I might as well share some things I've noticed, whether or not they mean anything.

Edited June 20, 2023 by HighOnHockey

[R3aL]

1 minute ago, HighOnHockey said:

Yeah Miro was the captain at YOGs. Maybe at Hlinkas too, although I don't quite recall. I don't think I'd heard anything about Michkov's attitude, although it wouldn't surprise me. Hard not to be cocky when you're that good at that age.

 

Given the climate even in North America in recent years where political discourse is so prevalent in everyday conversation, I wondered if their beef may have been related to that. I can only imagine how heated things are in Russia in recent years. If Michkov is more of a nationalist, while we know Miro has been trying to come to North America for years. Remember he was set to go to the USHL his D-2 year when covid hit and they wouldn't accept new international transfers. He sat out most of the season until January hoping to play USHL before finally playing MHL. He went to Germany for his cancer treatment. I dunno man, I kinda hate this gossipy speculative shit, but I guess I might as well share some things I've noticed, whether or not they mean anything.

Ya all the stuff circulating Michkov you wonder hoe much truth there is to it.

 

OR if its scouts slandering to try and help him fall to them, or michkov trying to go to a specific team, or bitter scouts upset they wont get him trying to slander too lol. Or media people just trying to make something into a problem.

 

Its hard to know when he wasn't at the combine and didn't do interviews too,

 

BUT

 

 

I just saw this ^ for what its worth

 

[Pure961089]

On 6/19/2023 at 12:57 AM, R3aL said:

Detroit gonna snag him to run

 

Edvinsson-Seider

Wallinder-Wallinder

 

On 6/19/2023 at 1:39 AM, R3aL said:

Snuggerud is very good in all fairness but ya stripped and out muscled rough that moment in that game aha

I was very high on Snuggerud last year.  Thought he would have been the perfect fit for the Canucks.  I guess Lekkerimaki was an opportunity they couldn't pass on.  It kinda hurts to see clips like this. 

[Bure_Pavel]

If by some miracle Dylan Mackinnon is there for our third round pick, we should run up and take him. Kid is a beauty. Big RD, Physical, tough as nails, and his straight line skating is among the top of the draft. Thinking he goes in the second though. 

 

 

Which NHL player do you model your game after?

 

Dylan MacKinnon, D, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL): Jacob Trouba. He's a very physical guy. He isn't afraid to shed the mitts. I just absolutely love the way he plays.

 

What's the best on-ice trash talk you've ever heard?

 

MacKinnon: I'm usually the one throwing them around. There were a couple in the last series of the playoffs. They were all asking me what I do for my team. But none of them would fight me. I told them I was a (younger player) and that I'd still fold them like a lawn chair. They got the memo. In that series, I think I was averaging like 10 pretty big hits a game. They all knew they weren't going to do anything about it.

 

 

 

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2665087/draft-survey-prospects-discuss-nhl-comps-best-trash-talk-and-more

Edited June 20, 2023 by Bure_Pavel

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, SniperSingh said:

Assuming no "steal" like Michkov falls to us I would put the probability the Canucks taking a defenseman at the 11th pick at 99%. Having bought out OEL, the team will NEED a top 4 dman stepping in in 2-3 years on an ELC if they want to be challenging for cups due to the cap penalty they'll face at that time (I think its around 4.5 million). Given the cost of acquiring one of those players, I suspect its D man we draft.

 

I would not be surprised if that player is Simashev. I don't see the Canucks taking ASP over a Simashev or Willander and expect Reinbacher to be gone at 11.

 

 

While I disagree that they will draft for need, I do believe that things will play out that way as well. On top of it, Simashev's agent is Dan Milstein. 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

If by some miracle Dylan Mackinnon is there for our third round pick, we should run up and take him. Kid is a beauty. Big RD, Physical, tough as nails, and his straight line skating is among the top of the draft. Thinking he goes in the second though. 

 

 

Which NHL player do you model your game after?

 

Dylan MacKinnon, D, Halifax Mooseheads (QMJHL): Jacob Trouba. He's a very physical guy. He isn't afraid to shed the mitts. I just absolutely love the way he plays.

 

What's the best on-ice trash talk you've ever heard?

 

MacKinnon: I'm usually the one throwing them around. There were a couple in the last series of the playoffs. They were all asking me what I do for my team. But none of them would fight me. I told them I was a (younger player) and that I'd still fold them like a lawn chair. They got the memo. In that series, I think I was averaging like 10 pretty big hits a game. They all knew they weren't going to do anything about it.

 

 

 

https://www.thescore.com/nhl/news/2665087/draft-survey-prospects-discuss-nhl-comps-best-trash-talk-and-more

Combining our two 3rd round picks can get us up to 50-55 range. Definitely doable. 

[Nucker 67]

8 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

While I disagree that they will draft for need, I do believe that things will play out that way as well. On top of it, Simashev's agent is Dan Milstein. 

If Millstein is in fact his Simashev's agent, then Welcome Dmitri!   

[Pure961089]

4 hours ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said:

Willander at 11 sounds fine to me. 

At 11 I really like Willander, Moore and Danielson.  We get a player we need and a very talented one at that.  When discussing Danielson I've heard comparisons to Brandon Sutter but a simple eye test shows how much better he is in just raw talent.  Sutter when healthy is a very good 3C but watching more of Danielson you'll notice he's vastly faster in both speed, excelleration and seperation and it's not close.  Sutter is notably far slower in every aspect of his skating compared to Danielson.  Also he has one of the best hands in the draft.  He can stick-handle, toe-drag and deke his way through traffic far better than Sutter.  My assessment was Daniel's floor as a 3C but now I see him right up there with Moore and Dvorsky.

 

 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Pure961089
Context

[Nucker 67]

18 minutes ago, Pure961089 said:

At 11 I really like Willander, Moore and Danielson.  We get a player we need and a very talented one at that.  When discussing Danielson I've heard comparisons to Brandon Sutter but a simple eye test shows how much better he is in just raw talent.  Sutter when healthy is a very good 3C but watching more of Danielson you'll notice he's vastly faster in both speed, excelleration and seperation and it's not close.  Sutter is notably far slower in every aspect of his skating compared to Danielson.  Also he has one of the best hands in the draft.  He can stick-handle, toe-drag and deke his way through traffic far better than Sutter.  My assessment was Daniel's floor as a 3C but now I see him right up there with Moore and Dvorsky.

 

 

The speed, the good size, the hands, drives the net, his first name is Nate (or Nathan) and wearing #29?  Shades of MacKinnon 

[Diamonds]

4 hours ago, Neutral said:

For those that follow prospects closely, what are the thoughts on Brayden Yager? 6ft right shot Center from Moose Jaw Warriors of the WHL

I followed him a lot more earlier in the year. He has a really good shot, great defensive awareness, and an incredibly high compete. The times that I saw him he was almost always the most noticeable player on the ice. He isn't necessarily the fastest guy on the ice but his speed is more than fine. His playmaking ability sometimes gets questioned but it's less so that he is a bad playmaker and more so that it's just not his biggest strength. He will also need to add some more muscle before making the jump, but then again most prospects do.

 

I think his fall in rankings is partially due to scouts wishing he showed more offensive dominance this year and partially that other players who went to international tournaments saw their stocks rise. Personally I would still be pretty happy to pick up Yager, even at 11 if Reinbacher and Dvorsky are gone, but expect he will probably end up going in the 15-20 range.