King Heffy Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/7/2023 at 1:28 PM, qwijibo said: Yet their advanced stats are very similar Which shows that advanced stats are a terrible way to evaluate players instead of just watching them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 On 6/7/2023 at 1:25 PM, canuck73_3 said: There's been nothing elite about Montembeault ever What are you talking about!!!! He is a legit top 10.... in nameplate length 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 9 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Which shows that advanced stats are a terrible way to evaluate players instead of just watching them. Actually Montembeault ranked about 10th among goalies with 40+ games played. Hart was 12th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Actually Montembeault ranked about 10th among goalies with 40+ games played. Hart was 12th Because Hart's team completely hung him out to dry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: Because Hart's team completely hung him out to dry. Goals saved above expected factors in shot quality. And it’s not like Montreal dressed an all star defence in front of Montembeault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 4 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Goals saved above expected factors in shot quality. And it’s not like Montreal dressed an all star defence in front of Montembeault The eye test tells a different story. This is exactly why teams shouldn't trust advanced stats and should evaluate players properly with scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 13 minutes ago, King Heffy said: The eye test tells a different story. This is exactly why teams shouldn't trust advanced stats and should evaluate players properly with scouting. Montembeault looked really good in the second half this year. And just led Canada to gold. I suspect you have a skewed opinion of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Just now, qwijibo said: Montembeault looked really good in the second half this year. And just led Canada to gold. I suspect you have a skewed opinion of him. He's decent, but I still think Hart is better given the game quality of play in front of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, King Heffy said: Which shows that advanced stats are a terrible way to evaluate players instead of just watching them. Colorado, Tampa just won Cups going full analytics. Florida and Vegas are also built off analytics. Teams use tracking technology and have a much better grasp of context than what public models can offer. McPhee even says public models are pretty useless. Maurice (in Winnipeg) confirmed that public models don't align with their findings. Edited June 9, 2023 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, qwijibo said: Montembeault looked really good in the second half this year. And just led Canada to gold. I suspect you have a skewed opinion of him. No one is saying Montembeault is garbage, he's just not as good as Hart, and that's ok. Edited June 9, 2023 by canuck73_3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 35 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: No one is saying Montembeault is garbage, he's just not as good as Hart, and that's ok. And all I’m saying is Hart isn’t a big enough upgrade to give up valuable assets for. Apparently Montreal brass agrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, qwijibo said: And all I’m saying is Hart isn’t a big enough upgrade to give up valuable assets for. Apparently Montreal brass agrees I disagree with that assessment, with all due respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 19 hours ago, King Heffy said: Which shows that advanced stats are a terrible way to evaluate players instead of just watching them. NHL Advanced stats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Random basic Internet analytics. There is a vast difference between what teams use and garbage like DAWG or Random Blogger analytics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: NHL Advanced stats>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Random basic Internet analytics. There is a vast difference between what teams use and garbage like DAWG or Random Blogger analytics. That's fair, and is more a means of categorizing actual scouting, but when people keep throwing up trash like Jfresh and expect people to actually take it seriously, that's going too far. Shot location is meaningless without knowing how the puck got there. Hell of a lot easier for the goalie to stop a shot where it's been carried to that spot compared to a cross crease pass and he's not squared up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, King Heffy said: That's fair, and is more a means of categorizing actual scouting, but when people keep throwing up trash like Jfresh and expect people to actually take it seriously, that's going too far. Shot location is meaningless without knowing how the puck got there. Hell of a lot easier for the goalie to stop a shot where it's been carried to that spot compared to a cross crease pass and he's not squared up. 100% JFresh is garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: I disagree with that assessment, with all due respect. Regardless. It’s been reported by a solid source that Montreal has no interest in Hart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Some rumors kicking around that C Hart is implicated in the World Juniors scandal. Pure speculation, but will still hurt his trade value to some extent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 1 minute ago, rekker said: Some rumors kicking around that C Hart is implicated in the World Juniors scandal. Pure speculation, but will still hurt his trade value to some extent. Luckily the Habs fired Bergevin or he'd be all in now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 46 minutes ago, rekker said: Some rumors kicking around that C Hart is implicated in the World Juniors scandal. Pure speculation, but will still hurt his trade value to some extent. Only 8 players from the team never made a statement regarding the incident. Hart was one of the first to make a statement condemning the incident abd he fully cooperated with the investigation. So I doubt he was one of the players involved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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