King Heffy Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Actually about that Jagr was recently on Spitting Chiclets and he made it known that Pittsburgh was the team he wanted to pick him so there was a chance he wouldn't sign with anyone but Pittsburgh. Nedved was a really good player in his own right it's a shame no matter where he went he never really got his ego in check. We would have won the Cup in 94 if we'd won the arbitration case with St Louis and gotten Shanahan instead of Janney. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 minute ago, canuck73_3 said: Actually about that Jagr was recently on Spitting Chiclets and he made it known that Pittsburgh was the team he wanted to pick him so there was a chance he wouldn't sign with anyone but Pittsburgh. Nedved was a really good player in his own right it's a shame no matter where he went he never really got his ego in check. Nedved was a good player and Quinn turned Nedved into Jeff Brown, who was key in our ‘94 Cup run. “Brown to Bure” as called by Robson. But not choosing Jagr likely cost is the Cup. Jagr is a great player. Great pkk k Ayer’s want to prove themselves against the best. He would have 100% played here. Jagr and Bure together means at least 1 Cup for us. Maybe more. Loved Quinn though. He was a great man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 6 minutes ago, Alflives said: Nedved was a good player and Quinn turned Nedved into Jeff Brown, who was key in our ‘94 Cup run. “Brown to Bure” as called by Robson. But not choosing Jagr likely cost is the Cup. Jagr is a great player. Great pkk k Ayer’s want to prove themselves against the best. He would have 100% played here. Jagr and Bure together means at least 1 Cup for us. Maybe more. Loved Quinn though. He was a great man. Are you seriously trying to use drafting record as an argument for Gillis over Quinn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Alflives said: Quinn drafted Nedved instead of Jagr. Quinn was our second best GM and would be our best if not for that mistake. He was a great leader, that’s for sure. I don't think Jagr really counts against Quinn. There were questions about whether he would even sign to play. Nedved was a perfectly fine pick at #2. Picks 1 through 4 that year were basically equivalent no matter who you picked. And Nedved was far from a bust. Edited August 4, 2023 by Kevin Biestra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: Are you seriously trying to use drafting record as an argument for Gillis over Quinn? Gillis was our best GM because of results. That’s not arguable. Two Presidents’ trophies and two games to win the Cup. It’s moronic to think Gillis wasn’t our most successful GM. But I’d still take Quinn over Gillis (even with the missing on Jagr part). Quinn was a great leader of men. He just never had Gillis’s success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said: I don't think Jagr really counts against Quinn. There were questions about whether he would even sign to play. Nedved was a perfectly fine pick at #2. Picks 1 through 4 that year were basically equivalent no matter who you picked. And Nedved was far from a bust. Jagr would have played here. He’s a great player. Those guys want to prove themselves against the best. It was a BIG mistake to pass on him. And Nedved was an okay player. He wasn’t anywhere near what Jagr was through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, King Heffy said: We would have won the Cup in 94 if we'd won the arbitration case with St Louis and gotten Shanahan instead of Janney. Agree with that entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Jagr would have played here. He’s a great player. Those guys want to prove themselves against the best. It was a BIG mistake to pass on him. And Nedved was an okay player. He wasn’t anywhere near what Jagr was through. He said himself he wanted to go to Pittsburgh and basically told teams that Pittsburgh was where he wanted to go. So no, it wasn't a mistake as we'd likely have to trade him for pennies on the dollar to Pittsburgh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Jagr would have played here. He’s a great player. Those guys want to prove themselves against the best. It was a BIG mistake to pass on him. And Nedved was an okay player. He wasn’t anywhere near what Jagr was through. Eric Lindros was a great player who wanted to prove himself against the best too. He didn't sign with the Nordiques. The Vancouver Grizzlies drafted Steve Francis and that didn't work out either...in this very city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, Alflives said: Gillis was our best GM because of results. That’s not arguable. Two Presidents’ trophies and two games to win the Cup. It’s moronic to think Gillis wasn’t our most successful GM. But I’d still take Quinn over Gillis (even with the missing on Jagr part). Quinn was a great leader of men. He just never had Gillis’s success. The results were no cup thanks to Gillis' mismanagement. That's not arguable. He then proceeded to absolutely destroy the future of the franchise with dead cap and numerous idiotic trades. He never once demonstrated that he could perform any aspect of the GM job satisfactorily. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 8 minutes ago, King Heffy said: The results were no cup thanks to Gillis' mismanagement. That's not arguable. He then proceeded to absolutely destroy the future of the franchise with dead cap and numerous idiotic trades. He never once demonstrated that he could perform any aspect of the GM job satisfactorily. Except 2 Presidents Trophies and a Cup Final, just minor stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 Just now, canuck73_3 said: Except 2 Presidents Trophies and a Cup Final, just minor stuff Using the core gifted to him by GMs who were actually qualified for the position. Nonis got fired for putting the team first while Gillis caused a decade worth of damage to try to save his own job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-AJ- Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 So, how about that Baertschi guy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw Posted August 4, 2023 Share Posted August 4, 2023 53 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Using the core gifted to him by GMs who were actually qualified for the position. Nonis got fired for putting the team first while Gillis caused a decade worth of damage to try to save his own job. This is obviously cherry-picking but look at some of the great signings/extension of that core: Sedin - $6.1M Sedin - $6.1M Kesler - $5M Burrows - $2M Samuelsson - $2.5M Edler - $3.25M Hamhuis - $4.5M He got Ehrhoff for cheap. He pulled the Horvat trade. He managed to swap Luongo for Markström. Definitely had a bunch of bad moves too but you're making a fool of yourself (again) by putting Gillis that far down the list. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Gillis was our best GM because of results. That’s not arguable. Two Presidents’ trophies and two games to win the Cup. It’s moronic to think Gillis wasn’t our most successful GM. But I’d still take Quinn over Gillis (even with the missing on Jagr part). Quinn was a great leader of men. He just never had Gillis’s success. Playoffs matter. Nobody won more playoff games and series as a GM than Quin did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Bob.Loblaw said: This is obviously cherry-picking but look at some of the great signings/extension of that core: Sedin - $6.1M Sedin - $6.1M Kesler - $5M Burrows - $2M Samuelsson - $2.5M Edler - $3.25M Hamhuis - $4.5M He got Ehrhoff for cheap. He pulled the Horvat trade. He managed to swap Luongo for Markström. Definitely had a bunch of bad moves too but you're making a fool of yourself (again) by putting Gillis that far down the list. The Luongo trade crippled the franchise with almost a decade of dead cap. A GM with a properly functioning brain would have just used the compliance buyout for Luongo like it was inteded for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bob.Loblaw said: This is obviously cherry-picking but look at some of the great signings/extension of that core: Sedin - $6.1M Sedin - $6.1M Kesler - $5M Burrows - $2M Samuelsson - $2.5M Edler - $3.25M Hamhuis - $4.5M He got Ehrhoff for cheap. He pulled the Horvat trade. He managed to swap Luongo for Markström. Definitely had a bunch of bad moves too but you're making a fool of yourself (again) by putting Gillis that far down the list. You have to do percentages. Cap back then was a lot less. Plus what did Burrows make his next contract (that was two years, and yes he for sure helped the team, rewarded for it too), what did Bieksa make - and do cap percentages the year they were signed. Then figure out what that means in todays money. It was also flat cap back then (2008-2009 housing crisis). So it didn't go up much, eventually teams got two free buyouts (Ballard and Booth for us). Check out what Garrsion got, and what the Sedins got their final deal as well... it's not so sexy really. MG for sure gave us an extra little window...but we spent 40% of the cap on 4 players. I don't blame him or at all bothered by handing out the clauses, it for sure helped too. It did make it hard on the downslope, but that was a price i'm sure we didn't even think about during our run or the two presidents trophies. Edited August 5, 2023 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 2 hours ago, King Heffy said: We would have won the Cup in 94 if we'd won the arbitration case with St Louis and gotten Shanahan instead of Janney. Would have probably meant no Jeff Brown on the blueline but my god we would have had a hell of a top seven forwards... Linden, Bure, Shanahan, Ronning, Courtnall, Craven, Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 1 minute ago, Kevin Biestra said: Would have probably meant no Jeff Brown on the blueline but my god we would have had a hell of a top seven forwards... Linden, Bure, Shanahan, Ronning, Courtnall, Craven, Adams. Also no Lafayette. That ping still haunts me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Biestra Posted August 5, 2023 Share Posted August 5, 2023 30 minutes ago, King Heffy said: Also no Lafayette. That ping still haunts me. Guy came closer to scoring than anybody but Linden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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