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Worst Case Scenario: What Does The Team Do If Cory Turns Out Like Steve Mason?


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#31 gocanuckzgo

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:13 AM

I guess the team will have to learn that the goalie isn't there to win games for them. A sound defense and a offense that scores is necessary regardless of how good your goalie is.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:17 AM

Erm...sign Marty Turco or Roloson, and hope he can turn things around?
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:47 AM

What if Marty Broduer never worked out in New Jersey? Would they have 6 Stanley cup trips? What would Lou Lamiorelo do at this point?

We go and find another goalie. Wat else.It's part of the business, and its a risk they have to make. What if Luongo continues to decline, after we decided to trade Schneider, and Schneider becomes the next Great USA goalie ,wins a gold medal for USAin 2014, wins a Vezina later on? Then what?
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:49 AM

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The odds of Luongo having a horrible season and being a bust for whoever he plays for are higher than the odds of Schneider being a bust.


You don't understand odds very well now do you?

The odds of Luongo, who has not had a horrible season in the NHL in his 11 seasons is not greater than that of a goalie who has been in the league 2 years. luongo has established very well he wasn't a one year wonder, Schneider hasn't established that fact yet.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:51 AM

I'll laugh at all the Schneider haters on here once he has an amazing year for us next season (assuming he stays). You guys are utterly ridiculous. Apparently some people think nobody is ever ready to try a starting role since beyond playing the backup half the season+ and being over 26+, I don't really see what criteria you fools want that Schneider hasn't already exceeded massively.

"We won't even win the division with Schneider in net"--O RLY? I'll be sure to quote you on that next year.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 01:10 AM

Worst case scenario? Gillis decides to blow up the team......literally.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 01:22 AM

Worst case scenario? Gillis decides to blow up the team......literally.


Probably couldn't hurt. Go the way of Philly at least.

Our prospect pool sucks.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 01:25 AM

I'll laugh at all the Schneider haters on here once he has an amazing year for us next season (assuming he stays). You guys are utterly ridiculous. Apparently some people think nobody is ever ready to try a starting role since beyond playing the backup half the season+ and being over 26+, I don't really see what criteria you fools want that Schneider hasn't already exceeded massively.

"We won't even win the division with Schneider in net"--O RLY? I'll be sure to quote you on that next year.


Your view is as moronic as the people you're berating.

People take their opinion that Schneider will be better than Luongo, or worse than mason, and act like their opinion is reality, that they know it is. Well, that isn't how it is. Schneider could be great, he could flop, or he could end up as a good but never great goalie, a career with under 70 games played so far doesn't tell us one way or another. Personally I think Schneider will be a great goalie, and more suited for the rampantly stupid Vancouver fans because he's extremely calm. But I know that is an opinion, not a fact. I hope he is the next Brodeur, but I'm sure as hell not going to act like I know he is.

It IS a gamble to trade Luongo and give schneider the chance to start, but I think it's a gamble worth taking. Even if he flops, I'll still feel that it was a risk that was worth it to take.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 01:33 AM

He wont turn out like Mason.

It doesn't help that Mason plays on a garbage team to begin with. Those numbers are inflated.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 02:03 AM

Your view is as moronic as the people you're berating.

People take their opinion that Schneider will be better than Luongo, or worse than mason, and act like their opinion is reality, that they know it is
. Well, that isn't how it is. Schneider could be great, he could flop, or he could end up as a good but never great goalie, a career with under 70 games played so far doesn't tell us one way or another. Personally I think Schneider will be a great goalie, and more suited for the rampantly stupid Vancouver fans because he's extremely calm. But I know that is an opinion, not a fact. I hope he is the next Brodeur, but I'm sure as hell not going to act like I know he is.

It IS a gamble to trade Luongo and give schneider the chance to start, but I think it's a gamble worth taking. Even if he flops, I'll still feel that it was a risk that was worth it to take.


a) I never said Schneider will be better than Luongo
b ) I never said Schneider will be worse than Mason

I'm not sure if you were directly accusing me of claiming those things but you certainly grouped me in with those people which is retarded in itself.

c) I never acted like my opinion is reality. You read way too far into a single tongue-in-cheek sentence.

I assume you were referring to my comment:

"I'll laugh at all the Schneider haters on here once he has an amazing year for us next season (assuming he stays)."



The word "once" in this context doesn't imply someone knows something is a reality.

e.g. "I'll have a great dinner once my wife returns with the groceries."

Once in this context denotes the speaker expects something to be so, not that the speaker thinks something is a reality set in stone. The wife could very well get stuck in traffic and I could end up with no dinner, etc.

So do I expect Schneider is going to kick butt? Yes. Did I pretend it was a reality like you said or guarantee it? No. Try reading comprehension next time before calling someone's opinion moronic, moron.

Edited by Moonshinefe, 26 May 2012 - 03:03 AM.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 02:12 AM

Then we can hear the silence from all the Shnide lovers out there cuz they would be embarrased to show there crappy hockey knowledge around CDC again.....oh wait...DOUBT IT~!
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 02:13 AM

We need to keep Luongo, and anyone who thinks otherwise is a darned fool.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 05:37 AM

It s not his technique or his talent that worry me.. He has the whole package .

What management knows and worries about is that he doesn t end up being another Di Pietro.

Schneider has a serious problem with cramps when he plays a lot of hockey.

When he gets these bad cramps he can barely walk like against Chicago last year.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 06:19 AM

I really think Tampa wants Corey, the comments made by the GM seemed to imply an interest in an elite goalie with a longer shelf life than Luongo...
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:39 AM

Mason was rushed up...he isn't a wash yet, but he certainly needs a change of venue, and time to mature. Dipietro is a bit of a head case that was rushed up too..

...I think cory is a great future goalie, but with less than 70 NHL games, I would not give him the reigns right now...look at Reimer in Toronto..too young to be number one, no matter how talented he is.



P.S. ONce again, I find myself agreeing almost entirely with Jester, aside from the name calling..lol

Edited by Primal Optimist, 26 May 2012 - 07:41 AM.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:40 AM

In hockey there are many roles to be played dependant upon the structure and chemistry of any given team. First line centers very rarely ever start their career as fourth line centers and work their way up. A player has a natural talent or ability to slot into a team's structure. Such is rarely the case with goaltenders. Certainly goalies have the same type of pedigree or composition (Starters are starters and backups are backups). But they need to be brought along and exposed to the game at a different speed and method than other positional players. Even a backup is technically a starter when he gets tapped to start that night. So the question is never whether a goalie can be a starter in the NHL, it's whether he can start night in night out on a regular basis without the eventual breakdown. Cory has proved himself at the AHL level to possess the mental toughness to start each game, and excel. What more of a measuring stick do we need? He has showed the 2 things needed: the skills and the mental toughness. He deserves his shot WITH the team that has brought through that testing process.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 07:46 AM

What happens if we rush Schneider in to a starting job at 18?

I am not sure we will ever have that answer.



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Posted 26 May 2012 - 08:30 AM

This is what I find to be ridiculous on CDC. Even if Schneider fails, the general reaction is, "oh well, too bad it didn't work out"?

It is definitely possible that Schneider may fail once given the big job. He already knows what it's like to be a Canuck goaltender and he's already had a bad game at the end of his first stretch of games.

There is no evidence that proves either or, but at this point there is no evidence that he will become like Luongo or better. If Schneider fails then I will forever include in my sig that it was a mistake to trade Luongo and that we're not winning the Cup unless we miraculously pick up a star for no cost.


You know there are risk in hockey, With Lou you know what you get.... a shakey October, very good Nov, Dec, Jan, Mar and then 1 bad goal could cause him to crumble. Lou also needs the Defence to play extremely well in front of him all the time, because always when he stinks it up and cant save a beach ball, the D should not let any shots on him. With Schneider you have a potential superstar or a potential bust, less cap hit, younger with a lot to prove. Not saying 100% he is going to be the hall of fame goalie we never had but I would take the risk. Montreal took a risk trading Halak instead of Price, Halak looked unbeatable in the playoffs, Price was getting booed, you never know how things turn out in hockey.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 09:21 AM

Cory was brought up slowly through the ranks of college and minor league hockey. he has had two seasons as a back up goalie and has shown us elite level skill his whole career. Mason was rushed and plays in Columbus and also benefited from having a break out year the only year that the team has ever been able to make the playoffs. Corey will be a stellar goalie in this league for a decade, as good as Lou would be my guess. No matter what happens with our Goalies the Canucks are going to come out fierce with the nice long break, and some needed time to heal for guys like Danny Sedin, Kes, Booth, Ballard and the handful of other guys coming off or playing with injuries before the playoffs.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 09:23 AM

I think there are a ton of things to consider why Schneider will not end up like Mason.

1. Steve Mason is 23 years old, unlike Schneider who is 26. Mason still has room to grow.
2. Mason was a 3rd round pick. Schneider was a 1st round pick. When Mason had his breakout rookie season there wasn't too much expectations on him to produce but that pressure may have gotten to him afterwards.
3. Schneider has a much better team overall playing in front of him unlike Mason.

I don't think there should be any concern whatsoever for Schneider. If worst case scenario happens, we sign a veteran back up or give Eddie Lack a crack at it.


having a better team in front of him isn't really a reason scheider will succeed... if anything that could mask some issues he might have down the road.

i don't beleive that he will turn out bad though - i mean, he outplayed the guy that took home 10 million dollars a couple seasons ago... that alone makes me confident in cory's abilities to be an outstanding starter. i just hope the luongo-capades don't sour cory to this organization or fanbase - hopefully making a commitment to him as our future gives him the confidence and drive to succeed.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 09:59 AM

:lol: People who say it won't happen.

Can they predict the future?
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:30 AM

Schneider's athleticism, focus, raw skill and pedigree screams "don't compare me to Steve Mason".
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 10:31 AM

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 12:03 PM

there is a possibility that could happen. But if you have to take a chance, Cory is our guy. Younger, cheaper and more fundamentally sound. Seems like a great guy in our locker room. You can go far in this league without taking chances and keep Cory in our lineup is a chance i would DEFINITELY TAKE.
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:05 PM

One insteresting argument against Schnieder is he has never played as a starting goalie so he may not be able to hanlde the work load. If that's true, then no goalies in the league would be a starting goalie because none of them had palyed a starting goalie before they did for the first time. :rolleyes:
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:36 PM

The word "once" in this context doesn't imply someone knows something is a reality.

e.g. "I'll have a great dinner once my wife returns with the groceries."

Once in this context denotes the speaker expects something to be so, not that the speaker thinks something is a reality set in stone. The wife could very well get stuck in traffic and I could end up with no dinner, etc.


No, "once" implies that it will happen, not 'IF" it happens. Saying "I'll have a great dinner once my wife returns with the groceries." is indeed implying that you fully expect to have a great dinner. If you expect it, you believe it.

Your argument would make sense if you had said 'IF Schnieder has a great season here..." not "once". People here rarely say "IF" when it is clearly what should be said... and they don't say "IF" because, as I said, they behave as if their opinion is fact. It isn't.

Edited by Jester@wraiths.ca, 26 May 2012 - 03:39 PM.

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:38 PM

love the board and it's double posting capabilities...

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Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:42 PM

I guess we would be screwed?
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:54 PM

This. At some point you have to look at his performance and say "He's earned a starting role. If he doesn't get it here, he'll get it elsewhere. Do we want to keep him in that role?"

It's not an easy choice. Obviously there is the risk that he turns into a bust, but there is also a risk that Luongo has a horrible season. Either one seems about as likely to me.

Lol, it's not even close. Luongo has had 8 straight seasons with 30+ wins. The chances Schneider (Hasn't started 40 games in a season, while Luu has won 47 games in a season)turns into a bust is far greater than Luu having a bad season. It's not even an argument. :picard:
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Posted 26 May 2012 - 03:54 PM

these 2 scenarios are uncomparable. cory schneider has been brought along as slowly as a goalie can be, and he's passed every test. he's gonna be or already is 26 years old I think so his time has come for whoever he ends up playing for. Steve Mason was brought in I'm pretty sure because the team was having a really bad problem at the time with healthy goalies, and Steve came in on an emergency basis and obviously ended up doing something special, and it hasnt translated into future success. schneider has played college, ahl, and nhl, and has proven himself over the course of multiple seasons in each league, which is something that mason never had to do. Also, Schneider has the added benefit of playing for a great team, with a deep defence who will make him look at times, whereas Mason has pretty much been hung out to dry his entire career.
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