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#1 Schnieds

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:13 PM

Before all you guys tell me we're getting raped or whatever, we all saw earlier this week with the Nash deal, not all trades are fair. We're not dealing from a position of strength here. We're trading a 33 year old goalie with 10 years left on his contract and he's given us one team he'll accept a trade to. We're not getting Huberdeau or Howden or Gudbranson. I can see a trade going down something like this.

To Florida: Luongo
To Vancouver: Santorelli, Upshall

The Panthers take on one of our bad contracts and in return we take on we're of theirs (Upshall). Santorelli is a local kid and plays center, something we desperately need until Kes can return. Flame away CDC!

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:15 PM

No thank you.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:16 PM

theres rumours going around its going to be Matthias and a 1st for Luongo

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:17 PM

No thank you.


Agreed. Gillis said he will improve this team.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:17 PM

Upshall is a cap dump and Santorelli is a fourth liner... Luongo's value might not be what it used to but it's not this low.

Matthias and a 1st at worse. Throw Raymond in and we can talk about a forward prospect.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:18 PM

That's not realistic either. Burrows, Hansen, Higgins/Raymond, Kassian on the right side.

Gillis would never accept this deal, because he's sane.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:21 PM

HE has to get much more than that. Yea trades aren't fair, Columbus seriously lost that trade for Nash, and i hope Gillis has more sense than to deal Lu for a couple borderline depth players. Gillis would be insane to let go of Lu for that little.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:27 PM

Upshall is a cap dump and Santorelli is a fourth liner... Luongo's value might not be what it used to but it's not this low.

Matthias and a 1st at worse. Throw Raymond in and we can talk about a forward prospect.


A 4th liner? For what it's worth, Santorelli finished 2nd in team scoring 2 years ago playing with god knows who. One more point than our boy David Booth. Hardly a 4th liner. Look, I never said this trade is fair for Vancouver, but realistically, I think this is what we're gonna get.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:37 PM

I personally would keep Lou over taking garbage, I don't think MG is that desperate to trade him. Corey Signed with Lou still a nuck and Lou signed a lifetime deal with the Canucks neither can be suprised if both are Canucks to start the season.
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:44 PM

A 4th liner? For what it's worth, Santorelli finished 2nd in team scoring 2 years ago playing with god knows who. One more point than our boy David Booth. Hardly a 4th liner. Look, I never said this trade is fair for Vancouver, but realistically, I think this is what we're gonna get.

I could care less of what he was 2 years ago. This year on Florida's not so deep depth chart Santorelli had time on the 4th line, with an amazing 11 points to show for it. Luongo is worth more.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:45 PM

We get annhilated in this deal. Like, Tallon bends MG over in this one.

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:10 PM

MG isn't that stupid.

Want either Lu for Gudbranson, Lu for Goc + 1st, or Lu for Matthias + 1st.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:12 PM

MG isn't that stupid.

Want either Lu for Gudbranson, Lu for Goc + 1st, or Lu + Matthias + 1st.

this this is what I've been waiting to hear. there is still hope.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:12 PM

Counteroffer of Weise and Malhotra for Weiss?
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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:22 PM

nvm

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:25 PM

Luongo, 2nd rd pick for Weiss,3rd rd pick

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:26 PM

MG isn't that stupid.

Want either Lu for Gudbranson, Lu for Goc + 1st, or Lu + Matthias + 1st.


Lu for Gudbranson? Tell me, when's the last time a 33 year old was traded for a 20 year old? Yes MG isn't that stupid, I never said he was. But you think for a second Howson thinks he got a fair return for Nash? Hell no! But these trades happen. I was jumping for joy when we got Booth for 2 old guys and guess what? He scored a whopping 29 points playing 2nd line minutes. I'm not saying Lu isn't worth more or this is the return I want for him but when you're not dealing from strength, this is the kinda return you get. I guess we can hold onto him and have the league's most expensive back up.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:44 PM

Shawn Matthias is an interesting pick. Some preliminary scouting suggests he's a strong body, good skater and has a strong hockey sense, knows where to go. He's listed @ 6'4" and 220 lbs, but from his stats he doesn't appear to be overly physical for a checking line center. As a comparison the past 3 seasons he's averaged 14.6 fewer hits per season when averaged out over a full 82 game schedule than Burrows in the same time frame, at 24 years of age I'm not sure I would take a chance on him as the long term answer for the 3rd line, particularly as we have Lapierre already and Gaunce coming up the ranks.

Unless he is burgeoning with offensive talent and could slot into a 2nd line play making role, I think I would take a pass. That being said he is only 24, during his time in the OHL he progressively became more comfortable in an offensive role; the same could be true for the NHL, the past three seasons averaged out over 82 games he has scored at a 0.30 PPG pace. There is also a history of ankle injury so providing that's past him he may very well turn out to be a diamond in the rough; or he could be another Brad Isbister. Main piece coming back in a Luongo trade? No thanks, but I certainly wouldn't say no to him being included to sweeten the pot.

I would definitely pass on Goc, this guy makes Salo look like an iron man.

I would forego the inclusion of a 1st round pick in place of a B-tier prospect like a Howden or a Bjugstad. As for main pieces returning, I would have to say one of either Clemmensen or Theodore. Clemmensen would be easier to move as he doesn't have a NTC, but he just re-upped as a UFA with Florida, and Theodore has history with our current goaltending coach though that hurdle is not insurmountable. If I remember correctly, the current goaltending coach for the Canucks was brought in mainly for Luongo's benefit; if that history is negative it's simple enough to find a new goaltending coach that Schneider can gel with.

Additional pieces would be role players, added depth for the bottom 9, we're not getting an established Top 6 guy for Luongo, that's just a pipe dream.

I wouldn't mind a trade of:

Vancouver
Theodore (or) Clemmensen
Matthias
Bergenheim
Howden (or) Bjugstad

Florida
Luongo
Sauve
3rd round pick 2013

Sedin/Sedin/Doan
Booth/Kesler/Burrows
Bergenheim/Matthias/Hansen
Higgins/Malhotra/Lapierre
Raymond

Kassian in the AHL for a full season to hone his craft.

If no Doan then,

Sedin/Sedin/Burrows
Booth/Kesler/Higgins
Bergenheim/Matthias/Hansen
Raymond/Malhotra/Lapierre
Weiss

Kassian in the AHL for a full season to hone his craft.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 08:44 PM

Finally a realistic trade, this is probably close to what Luongo will get, maybe add in a mid pick

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:08 PM

Finally a realistic trade, this is probably close to what Luongo will get, maybe add in a mid pick


Finally, we have someone who's not wearing their rose coloured glasses here. You guys have to understand, Talon isn't phoning MG asking the availability of Lu, MG is calling him asking him if he'll take him off our hands. Yes we don't have to trade Lu, but Howson didn't have to trade Nash either, but he still did cuz he was afraid it was gonna be awkward having him around. Most of the Lu to Florida proposals here are asking for more than what CBJ got for Nash! And at this point in their careers, Nash is worth way more than Lu. Florida does not need Lu, they made the playoffs last year just fine without him.

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:19 PM

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:28 PM

PaulKariyaALH doesn't know anything about what Luongo's true value is as he is a Luongo hater. Luongo and Tanev could easily get Weiss as Tanev replaces Garrison, and we get a temporary (perfect) replacement for Kesler while he's out.

In my eyes drouin is overrated he can score in the qmjhl but did nothing in last two gold medal games that canada lost. Fox will be better pro than him talk to me in five yrs

Gaudreau has one NHL goal whereas all your "prized" prospects have none.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 08:52 AM

I'd trade Luongo for Matthais + 1st.

Not the best deal but I think Matthais can fill the role of 3rd or 4th line centre. Lapierre and Matthais can battle it out 3rd line centre spot. I have him pegged as a 3rd line centre with a top potential as a 2nd line centre. Really depends on how he develops...much like how Kesler has steadily improved over the years.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:30 AM

OK lets look at this Luongo return from Florida for another angle. What did Florida receive from us 6 years ago? Todd Bertuzzi, Bryan Allen and Alex Auld. Lets look at the facts. Bert played 7 games with Florida. Lets not argue bout what should've or could've been with Bert in Florida, end result 7 games as a Panther. Auld, he played 27 games with Florida. Allen did the best, he managed to last 5 seasons there. So you guys are telling me, Florida is gonna give up more now to get back the same goalie they traded 6 years ago then what they got for him? It's not gonna happen esp now when he's 6 years older and most likely on the decline.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 09:33 AM

And lets not forget we also got a 6th rounder (Shirokov who could've been very good) and Kraijcek from Florida and he played more games in a Canucks uniform then Bert and Auld combined.

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 11:02 AM

My first proposal ever:

Chicago gets:
Luongo
Tanev
4th rounder

Vancouver gets:
Leddy
Bolland
3rd rounder

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Posted 25 July 2012 - 12:06 PM

I'd be happy with Luongo for a 1st rounder. This is a deep draft. We could get lucky. Basically we just need to clear his cap hit anyway.
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