King of the ES Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think he would be a nice addition, I would love to have him, but if he can't play the right side he would just become another Ballard because I certainly wouldn't play him over Hamhuis, and maybe not even or Edler. So while I think he would be great here, and above average top 4 D-man for sure, I certainly don't think he would be our #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tearloch7 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'd post a response, but I wouldn't want facts/stats to affect your opinion of this "above average top-4 d-man" (who has done far more in his career than anyone on the Canucks' D has). Very reasonable and not surprising at all that you folks would rank Dion behind Jason Garrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'd post a response, but I wouldn't want facts/stats to affect your opinion of this "above average top-4 d-man" (who has done far more in his career than anyone on the Canucks' D has). Very reasonable and not surprising at all that you folks would rank Dion behind Jason Garrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 From the sound of it, I don't think Gillis will trade Luongo this season (if there is one). If a trade doesn't make us a better team, why do it. There's no more important position than goaltending. If we want another shot at the cup, we have to make sure that position is rock solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smurf47 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Gee fellas, lou and Dion might be team mates in Russia because an NHL season is not looking good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The thing is, even if Phaneuf was the 30th best defenseman in the NHL, he would still be a #1 Defenseman on "a" team, statistically speaking, and would be a #2, 3 and 4 on all teams, except "maybe" the Canucks, who really don't have IMO a real #1, but actually probably have 4 #2's. With Ballards improved play last year, and the development of Tanev, Connauton, and Sauve, not to mention Alberts, the Canucks really don't need him, especially with the added preasure of a new cap, which will probably be 10 million or so less. If the Canucks do make a trade, they should probably focus on a up graded young 2nd line play making Centre and a good draft pick and/or a top prospect. Anything else would be foolish. I think you have to stop worrying about who is right and who is wrong, as it doesn't really matter, unless Edler is somehow traded away, and then that starts a whole new arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'd post a response, but I wouldn't want facts/stats to affect your opinion of this "above average top-4 d-man" (who has done far more in his career than anyone on the Canucks' D has). Very reasonable and not surprising at all that you folks would rank Dion behind Jason Garrison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 That is not saying a great deal .. Dion is a coward at heart .. just ask him .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 If you think I am so off with this analogy why don't you actually tell me why you think that and back it up instead of thinking you know so much more than everybody else, when everyone here disagrees with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 If a trade doesn't make us a better team, why do it. There's no more important position than goaltending. If we want another shot at the cup, we have to make sure that position is rock solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The thing is, even if Phaneuf was the 30th best defenseman in the NHL, he would still be a #1 Defenseman on "a" team, statistically speaking, and would be a #2, 3 and 4 on all teams, except "maybe" the Canucks, who really don't have IMO a real #1, but actually probably have 4 #2's. With Ballards improved play last year, and the development of Tanev, Connauton, and Sauve, not to mention Alberts, the Canucks really don't need him, especially with the added preasure of a new cap, which will probably be 10 million or so less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'd say Bieksa is an all around better defenceman. Hamhuis is much better defensively while Edler is better offensviely and around the same defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00bxQb Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Phaneuf is easily a Top 15 dman in the league. He just catches a lot of flack around here because he's played for the Flames and Leafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n00bxQb Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This forum is amazing sometimes. Popular opinion: Raymond - Bum Booth - God Reality: Raymond has more points per game than Booth has over the last 3 seasons while getting less ice-time and less favourable linemates. Phaneuf - Bum Kulemin - God Reality: Phaneuf scored more goals last season than Kulemin did and Phaneuf is a dman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Phaneuf is easily a Top 15 dman in the league. He just catches a lot of flack around here because he's played for the Flames and Leafs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnorFutureGM Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 On what grounds can you possibly suggest that Bieksa is a better player than Phaneuf? And is Edler really better offensively, or has he largely benefited from playing on one of the league's highest-scoring teams (like Ehrhoff did)? All of this discussion is mostly moot, anyway, as I can't imagine Burke trading him, but it's very interesting at the level of undervaluing people seem to be giving Phaneuf. Overpaid? Maybe. Not to Ballard's level, though, not even close. He's an All-Star defenceman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 There's an argument that Phaneuf isn't even much better offensively than Leaf cast off Luke Schenn and offence is supposed to be Phaneuf's strength and Schenn's weakness. IMO Toronto is just blowing up Phaneuf stat line and not giving defencemen the opportunities on merit. That is also why Komisarek is getting regular ice time and I'm going out on a limb here but maybe why Franson wants out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Couldn't agree more. If Phaneuf had instead played for say, Nashville and Washington, he would be much more liked here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 You guys are crazy. Phaneuf would be in our top 4, but definitely not a #1. He is not defensively responsible, and can shoot, but not quarterback a PP. He is horribly inconsistent, and previously over rated. I don't think you could convince any hockey people outside Toronto that he was anywhere close to a top 10 D in the league, and likely more towards the bottom of the top 20 if that. I also know a couple people that know him, and apparently he is a douche. Take that for what it is, regurgitated unreliable info, but it doesn't fall far from where I had him estimated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_Hockey_101 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I personally would welcome a Phaneuf trade. He can replace Edler as far as I'm concerned. I feel Edler will be pulling an Ehrhoff and there will not be any replacement for him. Edler disappears in the playoff. If the argument for trading Luongo is that he weakens during the playoffs, the same can be said for Edler. If we could add Byfuglien too, our defense would be an absolute power to play against. Phaneuf - Byfuglien Hamhuis - Bieksa Garisson - Tanev Luongo or Schneider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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