Standing_Tall#37 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Well, the answer SHOULD be obvious, but apparently the NHPLA doesn't understand basic math. Also, let's say you're an NHL player and you have no more than six years left in your playing career. You have a choice: [A] Take a 12% haircut on your current salary but play for six years or Lose a full year's salary and forego AT LEAST 17% of the rest of your professional hockey income that you'll ever make? I say "AT LEAST" because that assumes that after a lost season they go right back to getting 57% of league revenue (which is NOT going to happen). So, that player is more likely to lose 20%-25% of the rest of his career's income by losing a full season. Do players understand BASIC math? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorentjd Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Yes, sure, mathematically, you're correct. But this is just more evidence that the PA is worried about future generations - not greed. They are concerned with not just bending over and taking it from the owners, because, as I alluded to, it'll just keep happening again, and again, and again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 i dont know how the players can look themselves in the mirror when they say "we dont see why the nhl needs a salary reduction". gee maybe look at how many franchises are in financial trouble? new jersey dallas phoenix Sanjose (has never made money despite its attendance) LA (same as sanjose) anaheim carolina colombus florida tampa bay colorado (not quite yet but they are drawing significantly less fans than 5 years ago) st louis (maybe not after last year but they were every other year not sure on them) buffalo (was in serious trouble until an idiot with a wad of money bought them) ^ that is 13 teams i listed above that are/were in financial trouble at some point over the last 3 years that is 43% of the franchises. Right now this league is being carried by the strong canadian dollar, that could EASILY reverse in the next 5 years. the players are totally out to lunch on the state of the league and just cling to their 3.3billion dollar revenue number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorentjd Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 No. If they didn't care about future players/setting precedents, they'd basically just accept whatever the owners offer, because, as you've said, it would mathematically be in their own personal interest to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorentjd Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Because there is such a strong emotional element in the players' position, as opposed to that position being driven by rationality, if I were the league I would agree to a hard cap of 56% for year one, 55% for year two, etc. until we get to 50-50 and I would want a ten-year contract. That would help alleviate the issue about current contracts and make the specter of losing a full season look positively stupid from a player's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 So, how is accepting 50-50 for all FUTURE contracts and players protecting FUTURE players?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Because there is such a strong emotional element in the players' position, as opposed to that position being driven by rationality, if I were the league I would agree to a hard cap of 56% for year one, 55% for year two, etc. until we get to 50-50 and I would want a ten-year contract. That would help alleviate the issue about current contracts and make the specter of losing a full season look positively stupid from a player's perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George_Costanza Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 To date no one's matched Bure's calibre, hence, my jersey remains unnamed, however, I do like the players we have on our team but no one player stands. I was having really high hopes for Hodgson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 The only thing i took away from this thread is that the OP thinks hockey players spend 123,000 on their haircuts. no wonder he thinks this lockout is so detrimental to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 The only thing i took away from this thread is that the OP thinks hockey players spend 123,000 on their haircuts. no wonder he thinks this lockout is so detrimental to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 The players are functioning on principle. Some are already saying that they rather play for the KHL for less because they are tired of the NHL's shenanigans. Based on this premise, yes I do believe that players would choose to not play for the NHL again; however, should another league be created, they may jump on that opportunity, and the fans just may opt to watch their old hockey heroes playing in this new league. Fans come to watch their favourite players and not because of loyalty to the owners/league/team...even the Canucks lost fans when the team was dismantled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorentjd Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 And does "rationality", in your world, mean just adhering to whatever those smart, trustworthy owners (operating under a gag order by Bettman) deem is fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lorentjd Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Look, I don't have much sympathy for either the owners or the players in this dispute. But, if a player in the latter stretch of his career looks at this in a bottom-line (as opposed to an emotional) manner, the choice is pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Look, I don't have much sympathy for either the owners or the players in this dispute. But, if a player in the latter stretch of his career looks at this in a bottom-line (as opposed to an emotional) manner, the choice is pretty obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 The players should agree to play for minimum wage. After all, its more than they are making now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 The players are functioning on principle. Some are already saying that they rather play for the KHL for less because they are tired of the NHL's shenanigans. Based on this premise, yes I do believe that players would choose to not play for the NHL again; however, should another league be created, they may jump on that opportunity, and the fans just may opt to watch their old hockey heroes playing in this new league. Fans come to watch their favourite players and not because of loyalty to the owners/league/team...even the Canucks lost fans when the team was dismantled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Again...without the fans/players...there is no revenue stream. Players can organize their own games...there are numerous other arenas they can play at...tix at $20 to watch NHL caliber players compared to watching AHL players at $50 combined with bad PR (the new NHL), I think the fans will be drawn to the players games. The players/fans can do without the NHL...whereas the NHL cannot do without the fans/talent. TBH, I'd be down/fine with folding this whole league and starting all over again..but having a team with our current roster of course in a new league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 This season is looking like its gonna be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standing_Tall#37 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 Is 43-45% of 3.3 billion more than 0 as well? Negotiating is a two way street. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted October 26, 2012 Share Posted October 26, 2012 I think the merge broke edit: now fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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