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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:26 PM

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A convicted animal killer is set to be released from jail in two months, and there's disturbing evidence that the former SFU student fantasized about killing humans.


A 22-year-old former Simon Fraser University student who killed animals and allegedly fantasized about murdering homeless people will be released from custody in just two months.


Kayla Bourque was sentenced to eight months in jail this week after pleading guilty to injuring an animal, causing unnecessary suffering and pain to an animal and possession of a weapon, but authorities fear she may be capable of much worse.

Search warrant documents obtained by CTV News contain pages of police evidence suggesting Bourque also fantasized about killing human beings since childhood.

She allegedly told friends she wanted "to get a gun and kill homeless people" as well as "kill her mother and younger brother," according to the documents.

As a student, Bourque took a class with criminology professor Robert Gordon, who said she took an interest in serial killers.

"What we had here was arguably a serial killer in the making," Gordon said. "It was an outstanding case, probably the worst one I've ever come across."

Authorities were eventually alerted to her behaviour in March by a classmate, and a search warrant was executed at her university residence.

During the search, officers found what they describe as a "kill kit containing a knife, syringe, restraints, black gloves and a demon mask.

The also seized a laptop, three USB storage devices and a binder containing depictions of sexual homicide, dismemberment, serial killers and a tortured cat.

Bourque has already served six months in custody, so will be out in two - though her release will be highly supervised.

The judge in her case imposed an extensive probation order with 46 conditions, including that she stay away from animals, keep off the internet and not keep weapons. She also can't have anything considered a restraining device.

The judge said that, given the extreme concern, Bourque could be supervised the rest of her life.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:31 PM

Jesus, I don't even recall hearing about this back then.
She should clearly be in a maximum security psychiatric hospital and not even be close to be considered to being out in public.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:32 PM

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Meanwhile, pirates, marijuana smokers, etc get more severe punishments... Sickening.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:33 PM

This B*&^% needs to be thrown in a cage with a pack of lions.
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:39 PM

the justice system flaws is proven once again there need to be changes.........she should not be back in the public, how can they let her out???? I bet SPCA will all over this because of the animal abuse........come on reform the justice system NOW!
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Posted 02 December 2012 - 11:53 PM

I say let the animals get even, throw her in a den of lions.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:09 AM

I just don't understand how, in this day and age, we are so seriously deprived of good mental health care. There is no excuse for people not to be institutionalized if they pose a serious risk to others as well as themselves.

Here's some more insight into it:

Kayla Bourque is a 22-year-old BC resident who enjoys inflicting suffering on others. She tortured to death her family dog and pet cat, for which she is doing an absurdly short stretch in jail. She has fantasized about killing homeless people, and was found on her arrest to have a “murder kit” in her possession—syringes, a knife, a mask, and restraining straps.


Judge Malcolm MacLean called Kayla Bourque a “psychopathic and narcissistic” “sexual sadist” who’s obsessed with gore and violence and has shown no guilt or remorse.
…”She was intelligent and articulate and preoccupied with inflicting harm and pain on others,” said MacLean.
He said Bourque showed no empathy and psychiatric reports showed she was a sexual sadist with “multiple sexual deviations.”
She suffers from a number of personality disorders, including psychopathology and narcissism, and “felt no guilt, shame or remorse.”
He said she will likely require supervision for the rest of her life and she “presents a moderate level of treatability,” but her rehabilitation has less likelihood of success if voluntary.
“She’s at a moderate to high risk to harm others,” particularly children, the elderly and the disabled, said MacLean.

Under the BC Mental Health Act, a “person with a mental disorder” can be involuntarily confined in a psychiatric institution. Here’s the definition:


“person with a mental disorder” means a person who has a disorder of the mind that requires treatment and seriously impairs the person’s ability
(a) to react appropriately to the person’s environment, or
(B) to associate with others;

But, incredibly, the psychiatrists on the case will apparently not certify her as such. She will be walking the streets in a mere few weeks, looking for prey.
Bourque was a Romanian orphan for the first crucial eight months of her life in 1990. Conditions in those state orphanages were appalling, and the healthy and rapid infant development that arises from bonding was likely stunted. It is perhaps not all that surprising that Bourque cannot form normal relationships. She is a deformed and dangerous person, but she was likely made that way.
Nevertheless, to know all is not to forgive all, and certainly not to permit all. Bourque is a threat to everyone around her. Permanent institutionalization at Her Majesty’s pleasure would seem the obvious, socially responsible course to take.
The DSM-IV, the psychiatrist’s working manual, is a vast compendium of alleged “disorders” that in theory, at least, permits the psychiatrization of almost anyone who doesn’t fit a narrow definition of “normal.” It offers cover for the institutionalization of people who talk back to authority and for the incarceration of drama queens. But somehow, in this instance, it has failed to function.
So here is the bottom line. After all the hand-wringing is over, a psychopath will soon be terrorizing society. Yet there is nothing to be done, we are told, except to impose onerous parole conditions on an apparently bright and inventive young woman, and follow her around at great expense for the rest of her life.
This is, to use a technical term, madness.

http://drdawgsblawg.ca/2012/11/kayla-bourque-and-the-disorder-of-psychiatry.shtml
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:22 AM

Government funding has been slashed .. it is a lot more important we get the Grey Cup soon, and embellish the bank accounts of the 1%, than we try to deal with "social" problems ..

There is money in prisons, where almost "slave labor" can produce at a level to compete with Le Chine .. our new "manufacturing class" in North America .. "prison labor" .. talk about crimes against humanity .. the "War Against Drugs" .. better we fund that

This poor girl is ill, and needs treatment .. legalize pot and have lots of money to deal with such emotional conditioning ..
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:23 AM

Government funding has been slashed .. it is a lot more important we get the Grey Cup soon, and embellish the bank accounts of the 1%, than we try to deal with "social" problems ..

There is money in prisons, where almost "slave labor" can produce at a level to compete with Le Chine .. our new "manufacturing class" in North America .. "prison labor" .. talk about crimes against humanity .. the "War Against Drugs" .. better we fund that

This poor girl is ill, and needs treatment .. legalize pot and have lots of money to deal with such emotional conditioning ..

Government funding has been slashed .. it is a lot more important we get the Grey Cup soon, and embellish the bank accounts of the 1%, than we try to deal with "social" problems ..

There is money in prisons, where almost "slave labor" can produce at a level to compete with Le Chine .. our new "manufacturing class" in North America .. "prison labor" .. talk about crimes against humanity .. the "War Against Drugs" .. better we fund that

This poor girl is ill, and needs treatment .. legalize pot and have lots of money to deal with such emotional conditioning ..


I've read about stuff like this before - there's no curing her. You can put her through therapy, yeah, but chances are it's safer to have her under administration/surveillance at all times.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:27 AM

I've read about stuff like this before - there's no curing her. You can put her through therapy, yeah, but chances are it's safer to have her under administration/surveillance at all times.


Yes indeed .. we need an "institution" to keep her, and us, safe .. most of those no longer exist so she is treated as a criminal rather than a "criminally insane" person, for "budgetary reasons", or so I have been told ..
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:22 AM

I've read about stuff like this before - there's no curing her. You can put her through therapy, yeah, but chances are it's safer to have her under administration/surveillance at all times.


If she's truly psychopathic, putting her through treatment will actually make it worse. Just allows psychopaths to learn new ways of manipulating people.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:27 AM

She should be deprived of all humanity and stripped of rights because she killed an animal. Ship her off to Gitmo.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:45 AM

If she's truly psychopathic, putting her through treatment will actually make it worse. Just allows psychopaths to learn new ways of manipulating people.


Not to mention the fact that she would meet the criteria for Sexual Sadism, and Antisocial Personality Disorder. It's really the perfect triad of disorders to create a serial killer. There is zero chance that someone suffering from all 3 of these disorders could be rehabilitated to not become a threat.
Plus, chances are Narcissistic Personality Disorder would also be present, which would further hinder any hope for treatment as her grandiose ideas would likely block any sense that she needed help.
Try all you want, there would be absolutely no curing this girl.
As sad/wrong as it might seem that she might not get any attempted treatment, in reality any time or effort put into it would be for naught.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:11 AM

Lets just string her up and get it over with already.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:00 AM

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A convicted animal killer is set to be released from jail in two months, and there's disturbing evidence that the former SFU student fantasized about killing humans.


A 22-year-old former Simon Fraser University student who killed animals and allegedly fantasized about murdering homeless people will be released from custody in just two months.


Kayla Bourque was sentenced to eight months in jail this week after pleading guilty to injuring an animal, causing unnecessary suffering and pain to an animal and possession of a weapon, but authorities fear she may be capable of much worse.

Search warrant documents obtained by CTV News contain pages of police evidence suggesting Bourque also fantasized about killing human beings since childhood.

She allegedly told friends she wanted "to get a gun and kill homeless people" as well as "kill her mother and younger brother," according to the documents.

As a student, Bourque took a class with criminology professor Robert Gordon, who said she took an interest in serial killers.

"What we had here was arguably a serial killer in the making," Gordon said. "It was an outstanding case, probably the worst one I've ever come across."

Authorities were eventually alerted to her behaviour in March by a classmate, and a search warrant was executed at her university residence.

During the search, officers found what they describe as a "kill kit containing a knife, syringe, restraints, black gloves and a demon mask.

The also seized a laptop, three USB storage devices and a binder containing depictions of sexual homicide, dismemberment, serial killers and a tortured cat.

Bourque has already served six months in custody, so will be out in two - though her release will be highly supervised.

The judge in her case imposed an extensive probation order with 46 conditions, including that she stay away from animals, keep off the internet and not keep weapons. She also can't have anything considered a restraining device.

The judge said that, given the extreme concern, Bourque could be supervised the rest of her life.


This is the Magnotta situation all over again. Didn't Magnotta kill animals at the beginning and fantasized about killing humans before he actually did it?
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 03:23 AM

Locking people up and pumping them full of drugs hasn't proven to be effectual in many cases. Out patient therapy with strict conditions seems to be appropriate in this case,
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 04:15 AM

Locking people up and pumping them full of drugs hasn't proven to be effectual in many cases. Out patient therapy with strict conditions seems to be appropriate in this case,


Agreed, or anything really as long as they keep her locked up if she continues on a downward spiral.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 09:49 AM

Is it wrong that I hoped she would, in fact, go after the homeless so that she might leave dogs and cats alone?
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:17 AM

Is it wrong that I hoped she would, in fact, go after the homeless so that she might leave dogs and cats alone?


Well what's more important to you, animals or people?
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:19 AM

Well what's more important to you, animals or people?


I'd probably sleep better knowing she was going after hobos
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 10:28 AM

Locking people up and pumping them full of drugs hasn't proven to be effectual in many cases. Out patient therapy with strict conditions seems to be appropriate in this case,


So if you're unlucky and unfortunate enough to be the one whose child or family member is murdered or victimized by this psycho when she slips her 'handlers' will you still feel the same? When the crime committed against your loved one could have been prevented in the first place? Look right now at those you love and ask yourself if you really want them encountering Kayla Bourque in her sexually sadistic or homicidal mode...yeah, didn't think so.


The bleeding hearts beating their chests until it's too late.......then who are you going to blame when someone's dead or someone's child is sexually tortured and killed?

Remove her from society now, It's too late after she has killed an innocent party.

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:07 AM

Locking people up and pumping them full of drugs hasn't proven to be effectual in many cases. Out patient therapy with strict conditions seems to be appropriate in this case,


I don't think the immediate focus should be on what works for her - it's about potential victims and ensuring public safety. Out patient is with a risk incurred to the public, so what if it fails? The price is too high in that...institutionalize her until some form of stability is confirmed, THEN consider "out patient" treatment. It just isn't worth taking a chance.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:16 AM

There is a reason that logic and pragmatism dwell in the minds of "women" in general, and Deb and BB in particular .. years of dealing with CDC male folk? .. I think so ..

She should be institutionalized indefinitely pending successful treatment, if that is possible .. she may never be a "free" woman, and if so, so be it ..

Society is faced with this dilemma due to funding being slashed in Mental Health Care in BC .. many "homeless" folk were put on the street due to funding priorities ..

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 11:34 AM

From the recent CBC.ca article (I have no idea what article the OP quoted):

One psychologist who spoke with Kayla Bourque ahead of her sentencing Wednesday in Vancouver Provincial Court testified she will likely require supervision for the rest of her life.

Other doctors described her as a sexual sadist and narcissist with anti-social personality disorder and sociopathic tendencies.

"It is clear that Ms. Bourque is a very unique and troubling case," said Judge Malcolm Maclean as he delivered what he described as "probably one of the most comprehensive probation orders I've ever done."

Bourque pleaded guilty in October to killing or injuring an animal, causing unnecessary suffering and pain to an animal and possessing a knife and was arrested earlier this year.

She has already been in custody for six months, but MacLean gave her an additional two months in custody, in part so probation officials can prepare for her highly supervised release.

MacLean said Bourque's mother does not want her daughter living in the family home. Once released from jail, a Vancouver police high risk offender team will escort her to her new residence.

She's not allowed to have anyone in her home from 6 pm to 6 am and anyone who does visit must be made fully aware of the charges she pleaded guilty to and their circumstances.

She can't associate with anyone under the age of 18 or possess computer software to access the internet. MacLean also forbade her from accessing social networking sites or possessing duct tape, hypodermic needles or knives.

The probation order will be reviewed in three months after her release from custody. MacLean also banned Bourque from owning any animals for life.


While I'd like to see stiffer penalties for animal cruelty and death, they're at least doing a significant amount to go beyond the original sentencing and hopefully it's enough to ensure no animals or humans are ever harmed by this girl.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 12:13 PM

From the recent CBC.ca article (I have no idea what article the OP quoted):



While I'd like to see stiffer penalties for animal cruelty and death, they're at least doing a significant amount to go beyond the original sentencing and hopefully it's enough to ensure no animals or humans are ever harmed by this girl.


Beyond the original, but not even close to what is deserved.
Her probation will be reviewed in 3 months, and I get the feeling as time goes on, she will be less and less of a priority, will get less and less supervision, and her restrictions won't be properly enforced.
There have been too many instances of people as deranged as Bourque being able to slip by a police presence, and continue to commit crimes.
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:35 PM

I've eaten millions of animals, and noone has thrown me in jail...
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:42 PM

Also: I don't see how you can throw someone in jail for fantasizing about committing a crime...
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 01:59 PM

So if you're unlucky and unfortunate enough to be the one whose child or family member is murdered or victimized by this psycho when she slips her 'handlers' will you still feel the same? When the crime committed against your loved one could have been prevented in the first place? Look right now at those you love and ask yourself if you really want them encountering Kayla Bourque in her sexually sadistic or homicidal mode...yeah, didn't think so.


The bleeding hearts beating their chests until it's too late.......then who are you going to blame when someone's dead or someone's child is sexually tortured and killed?

Remove her from society now, It's too late after she has killed an innocent party.


Guess what. My personal situation tragically mirrors your first paragraph already. BC cant and wont lock everyone up anymore under the guise of protecting the public from what may happen. We've been there and done that and we cant afford it let alone the fact that it doesn't work. Nothing wrong with the system looking after her and others on a case by case basis which probably will include lifetime supervision for her .

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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:25 PM

From the recent CBC.ca article (I have no idea what article the OP quoted):


Here's the article: http://news.sympatic...months/6200474d
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Posted 03 December 2012 - 02:49 PM

She has been quoted as saying that Booth is her favourite Canuck.

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