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#31 Noheart

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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

why don't you shut the hell up. Like who do you think you are tough guy


Wrestling isn't real bud
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Posted 11 January 2013 - 11:52 PM

Wrestling isn't real bud


You guys crack me up, keep it up.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:00 AM

Obvious differences between Schneider and Hodgon.

Schneider played his backup role to Luongo for two years - has never complained, was a great team-mate, has said all the right things. performed extremely consistently at an outstanding level. Schneider has earned his position - at this point he's the better player. You sure as hell can't pretend Hodgson is better than Hank or Kesler.

Schneider re-signed before testing the RFA offersheet market - a real serious, good faith, team player move that really helped put Gillis in the favourable position he's now in. Hodgson's agent went to the Province and whined about his ice-time, compared him to Steven Stamkos, and precipitated the events that lead to Cody being sent somewhere he can get his minutes.

Schneider - the young guy, who like the rest of the Canucks leadership core, earned his dues with hard work and performance over seasons - while respecting the veteran ahead of him - a young player who actually has real leadership qualities.

Edited by oldnews, 12 January 2013 - 12:04 AM.

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#34 nuck nit

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:11 AM

The courts of Canada do not allow hearsay as evidence.

Not sure why slander with prejudice is tolerated here as fact.

Opinions are like,well,you know.

Edited by nuck nit, 12 January 2013 - 12:15 AM.

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#35 Samuel Påhlsson

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:31 AM

I don't understand why this guy needs to write an essay every time he posts, especially when he's usually wrong.


Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:36 AM

All you proved is that we shouldn't have traded Hodgson. I agree, though your agenda showed when you were trying to make the comparison between Hodgson, Kesler and Schneider. I don't think Hodgson has the upside to be better than Kesler, whereas Schneider might already be better than Luongo. Not better in the body of work sense, but in terms of quality of play now.

Hodgson will NEVER be as good as Henrik. Ever.

You love Luongo. We get it. Not need to waste our time trying to debate about something unless you have something of substance to spark debate.
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#37 higgyfan

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 12:52 AM

Why are we seeing soooooo many dumb posts on this board lately? Pre season jitters?
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:01 AM

Schneider is one of, if not the best, goalie prospect in the league and he is just about in his prime age. Hodgson while good isn't at the same level as Schneider and has much less preparation and experience. Sometimes circumstances and the strengths of the team play a role. Look at Pttsburgh trading Jordan Staal. Not many teams would trade a guy like that, but because of the situation in Pittsburgh he gets dealt. If the Canucks had Jordan Staal instead of Schneider it very well could have been Kesler in all the trade talks.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:19 AM

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:56 AM

interesting premise,
appreciated and thanks for the comparison. fresh approach for this mind.
i hope, look forward with blind optimism, to watching schneider, or the next one, win over two hundred games in the canucks uniform.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 05:36 AM

Coho is soft Kesler is rugged. If our top line of the Sedins are a couple of punching bags (very talented punching bags) it makes sence to want to counter weigh there softness with some sandpaper on the second pretty hard to win a cup with your top 2 lines unwilling to get into the dirty areas. Say all you want about Coho's skill set I agree he has alot of potential but he could never surpass Kesler to play a second line role on this team because he can't match Keslers willingness to play a hard game. That said for that matter wouldn't make a great playoff 3rd line center either nor would he be happy in that role playing checking minutes against other teams pf's was not his strength and teams would smell that and attack it. Giving him sheltered ice time in the playoffs is not an option. Hence the only option was to move him it made sense to me perfectly. That said Kassian may not have the polish of Coho and probably wont have as good a career imo but he is 100% a better fit for this team because there is no one standing in his place where he could peak thus has the option where Coho didn't to flourish on THIS team.

For this reason Coho and Luongo are not comparable. Schnider can offer something Luongo hasn't mental toughness. That said I still believe that Luongo is the better goalie however Schnider may be better for this team. The canucks seem to play with more confidence infront of him. just my opinion


Firstly, it isn't imperative that one of our top 2 centers are tough, gritty forwards. Look down the list of Cup winners. Detroit had Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Pittsburgh had Malkin and Crosby. Chicago had Toews and Sharp. Boston even had Krejci and Peverley, and the Kings had Kopitar and Carter. If you want to protect the "soft" twins, there's no point having a guy on another line do that job. The best way to protect our skilled guys is have a tough guy on the ice at the same time, and that's the one thing all these cup winners have done, whether it be a winger or defenceman. Crosby had Orpik and Gill to back him up on the ice, Toews had Keith and Seabrook, Krejci had Chara etc. Having Kesler does not protect the Sedins whatsoever because they're never on the ice at the same time, so he's not scaring anyone.

I do agree that Kassian would benefit the twins a lot more and would be a good fit, but having a skilled center in Hodgson is far more important. Big physical forwards and depth at center are both keys to winning cups, but depth and skill at center is far more important and right now it's something we're lacking a little too much. Besides, the upside we would have received from a Kesler trade would have been far superior and would be paying off dividens for this coming season.

As for your dig at Hodgson saying he may never surpass Kesler, this kid has done it all so far for his age. He's lead the world juniors both years in scoring, won Gold there against the best of the world and out-played current NHL superstars. He's destroyed the OHL, then tore up the AHL, showed he can play in the NHL and has shown not one sign of slowing down. Hodgson is a future #1 center and point-per-game scorer which is better than Kesler has been. Now sure, having a 70 point, 40 goal scoring Selke winning Kesler would be better for this Canuck team than a future #1 center, but right now that's just not Kesler. Instead we're faced with a Hodgson likely to score 50-60 points in a full season versus Kesler who will be lucky to hit the same pace.

Exactly, Luongo still is the better goalie. It's not his fault if the team plays crap in front of him and that should not be reason to trade our better goalie because it will burn us later on if we have worse quality in net, particularly in the playoffs when flaws like this can be exposed. And mental toughness is a joke - Schneider has played a career 56 games, he has no idea what pressure means so until he plays a full season, wins a Gold medal or plays in an important playoff game we'll never see how mentally strong he is. Personally I believe he will crack the second he is exposed to such pressure because he is still so inexperienced and naive compared to a veteran goalie like Luongo, and don't compare his pressure in the AHL to NHL because it's a whole different ball game. Lu has handled the pressure better than any other player in the NHL, it's very unlikely that Schneider will do the same.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:18 AM

I wish we had traded Schneider earlier, now it feels to late, and thus if anyone will be traded it will likely be Lu. It's gonna hurt a lot though.


Do you also wish the Canucks to continue losing playoff games by 4+ goals? This is what happens if Luongo stays, but he's not going to, he will fit in perfectly with the Maple Leafs.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:20 AM

Obvious differences between Schneider and Hodgon.

Schneider played his backup role to Luongo for two years - has never complained, was a great team-mate, has said all the right things. performed extremely consistently at an outstanding level. Schneider has earned his position - at this point he's the better player. You sure as hell can't pretend Hodgson is better than Hank or Kesler.

Schneider re-signed before testing the RFA offersheet market - a real serious, good faith, team player move that really helped put Gillis in the favourable position he's now in. Hodgson's agent went to the Province and whined about his ice-time, compared him to Steven Stamkos, and precipitated the events that lead to Cody being sent somewhere he can get his minutes.

Schneider - the young guy, who like the rest of the Canucks leadership core, earned his dues with hard work and performance over seasons - while respecting the veteran ahead of him - a young player who actually has real leadership qualities.


Best post in this thread so far. +1.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 08:25 AM

Firstly, it isn't imperative that one of our top 2 centers are tough, gritty forwards. Look down the list of Cup winners. Detroit had Datsyuk and Zetterberg. Pittsburgh had Malkin and Crosby. Chicago had Toews and Sharp. Boston even had Krejci and Peverley, and the Kings had Kopitar and Carter. If you want to protect the "soft" twins, there's no point having a guy on another line do that job. The best way to protect our skilled guys is have a tough guy on the ice at the same time, and that's the one thing all these cup winners have done, whether it be a winger or defenceman. Crosby had Orpik and Gill to back him up on the ice, Toews had Keith and Seabrook, Krejci had Chara etc. Having Kesler does not protect the Sedins whatsoever because they're never on the ice at the same time, so he's not scaring anyone.

I do agree that Kassian would benefit the twins a lot more and would be a good fit, but having a skilled center in Hodgson is far more important. Big physical forwards and depth at center are both keys to winning cups, but depth and skill at center is far more important and right now it's something we're lacking a little too much. Besides, the upside we would have received from a Kesler trade would have been far superior and would be paying off dividens for this coming season.

As for your dig at Hodgson saying he may never surpass Kesler, this kid has done it all so far for his age. He's lead the world juniors both years in scoring, won Gold there against the best of the world and out-played current NHL superstars. He's destroyed the OHL, then tore up the AHL, showed he can play in the NHL and has shown not one sign of slowing down. Hodgson is a future #1 center and point-per-game scorer which is better than Kesler has been. Now sure, having a 70 point, 40 goal scoring Selke winning Kesler would be better for this Canuck team than a future #1 center, but right now that's just not Kesler. Instead we're faced with a Hodgson likely to score 50-60 points in a full season versus Kesler who will be lucky to hit the same pace.

Exactly, Luongo still is the better goalie. It's not his fault if the team plays crap in front of him and that should not be reason to trade our better goalie because it will burn us later on if we have worse quality in net, particularly in the playoffs when flaws like this can be exposed. And mental toughness is a joke - Schneider has played a career 56 games, he has no idea what pressure means so until he plays a full season, wins a Gold medal or plays in an important playoff game we'll never see how mentally strong he is. Personally I believe he will crack the second he is exposed to such pressure because he is still so inexperienced and naive compared to a veteran goalie like Luongo, and don't compare his pressure in the AHL to NHL because it's a whole different ball game. Lu has handled the pressure better than any other player in the NHL, it's very unlikely that Schneider will do the same.


This is too much nonsense to respond to. The only question I can ask you is, are you off your meds right now?
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 11:03 AM

Hodgson only played in the WJC once.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 11:57 AM

In the long term this team will be much better without CoHo He was never going to take over any of our top 2 centers and he knew it, it would have been 5-10 years when the Sedin's would retire or maybe if CoHo was lucky Kesler would get injured and he could move up..
CS has the opportunity to take over the number 1 spot from a superstar goaltender and that does not happen very often.
He has shown he is an exceptional character guy, he is intelligent, hard working and knows his place on the team.
Give props to luongo for putting up with him also knowing full well that if Cory was not traded he could take his job.

no comparison in CoHo and Cory situations .
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 01:58 PM

Well I feel a lot more comfortable with Schnieds in net during the playoffs and would have been a lot happier to have Cody than Kesler against LA, so there's that. Cody is also a lot better at playing the puck than Schnieds..
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

Schneider gives away the puck in the stupidest ways possible. He needs to calm down when he tries to play the puck. Honestly, he's been extremely lucky with those boneheaded giveaways, and chances are, he's not going to be so lucky next time, and he won't hear the end of it.

Schneider, though putting up good numbers, seems to give up some odd goals occasionally. A lot of the goals he concedes seems to come from poor positioning. He needs to play his angles properly since he's a smaller goalie.

At this point I think Luongo has better mechanics than Schneider. If you think Schneider has better technical skills because he goes on his butterfly in a neater fashion and plays in a symmetrical way, then you don't know what mechanics are. You might as well say Schneider is way better than Hasek or Roy too since those goalies play more like Luongo than Schneider.

Neither goalie seems to be more perfect than the other. It's matter of age. In the next few years, Lu is better. If you think otherwise, then you are pretty much saying we should get rid of veterans who have proved themselves in favor of young guys who did nothing in comparison.

Keep both goalies, give each goalie half the games, we can give Schneider more experience and ready him for a starter season perfectly while depending on Lu for the big games.

Edited by LordofBrussels, 12 January 2013 - 02:34 PM.

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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:35 PM

As far as Kesler goes, all I got to say is Selanne. Sometimes you need an entire year to just heal and rehab. The problem with the NHL especially is that you can't do that year to year. But provided he doesn't come back until he's truly 100%, we can't assess him fairly.

But you can't ompare Hodgson to Schnieder, there's so many issues involving both players when talking about trading an individual. At the end of the day the Canucks and Hodgson didn't get along. Sometimes these things are about fit and not about stats or even what position they play. Schneider in contrast worked his ass off and played a backup roll until the team had no other option but start him because he was just plain better You can't say that about Hodgson, and just because his inner Lindros didn't come out in the media doesn't mean it wasn't there.

We'll trade Luongo and gain an additional center and this season will be just fine.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:35 PM

As far as Kesler goes, all I got to say is Selanne. Sometimes you need an entire year to just heal and rehab. The problem with the NHL especially is that you can't do that year to year. But provided he doesn't come back until he's truly 100%, we can't assess him fairly.

But you can't ompare Hodgson to Schnieder, there's so many issues involving both players when talking about trading an individual. At the end of the day the Canucks and Hodgson didn't get along. Sometimes these things are about fit and not about stats or even what position they play. Schneider in contrast worked his ass off and played a backup roll until the team had no other option but start him because he was just plain better You can't say that about Hodgson, and just because his inner Lindros didn't come out in the media doesn't mean it wasn't there.

We'll trade Luongo and gain an additional center and this season will be just fine.
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:43 PM

8 years younger, stronger mentally, never faultered yet. Luongos not the same superstar goalie he was when he was first here, and he is not going to get any younger or better, unlike Schneider.

Lu hasn't been the same since he injured his groin.

Schneids also played better in the playoffs last year, so he proved himself there imo, this is only a 48 game season, so it's the perfect situation for Schneider.

If Hodgson was half a step faster, I think we probably would of kept him, but we don't have the time to let Hodgson figure out how to play using his strengths.

Schneiders also never complained about being stuck behind Luongo for years.

Keslers been injured and can now finally heal up hopefully.


Now, I love Schnieder he has been great. But saying he is stronger mentally is a little bold. I mean he has only played in 2 big time NHL games. The last 2 in the playoffs. Luongo has been through game 7's and was terrific against the Hawks, and to be fair not too shabby against the Bruins.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter who is in net, if the team can't score they can't win. People always say Luongo melts down in the playoffs, well that's not really true. The truth is (and I hate to say it) the whole team seems to stop playing well.

Wherever Luongo goes I wish him the best and hopefully we can get a decent return and actually dominate in the playoffs. Hopefully we'll be this year's LA Kings ;)
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 02:58 PM

We all want Schneider to be good,maybe half as good as Luo when Luo was groin injury free would suffice.

Cory Schneider
He is the NHL’s biggest disappointment at the tournament by far. HC Fribourg came into the tournament as Switzerland’s top team, and believed they would get a boost by adding Schneider to their roster. It didn’t work. They went 2-2 at the Spengler Cup, and the two starts Schneider made were each losses. After the team won their first game with regular goalie Benjamin Conz in net, Schneider allowed two goals in their next game to HC Vitkovice Steel on just 17 shots. Conz helped the team to a victory in the quarterfinals and when Schneider got the nod in goal against Canada in the semis, he allowed five goals on 33 shots. Final statline: 0-2, 3.50 GAA, 860 SV %. Don’t pack your bags just yet, Roberto.
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Your right, one so-so tournament, highlighted by 5 goals on 33 shots against an overpowered Canada team.

Trade him now!!!
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Posted 12 January 2013 - 03:06 PM

Wow, this post is all over the place!

Dude, hockey is a physical game and lets assume (which may never occur) Hodgson reaches his full potential; perhaps 80 points and 40 goals? Not too many teams are going to pick a 6' 187 lb centre over one who can get 40 goals and 75 points that is significantly faster and is amongst the strongest 207 lb players on the planet. Kesler, when healthy, neutralizes and wins physical match ups all over the ice; which affords smaller and slower players (like Hodgson and yes even Henrik) the opportunity to ply their skilled trade against lesser match ups.

For example; if LA had not traded for Richards Kesler would have drawn the Kopitar match up and Sedin would have walked all over the lesser Kings.

And I probably would have traded Hodgson for Kassian if he were in his prime, but not a prospect as we did. I would like to have kept him, perhaps as depth because Kesler is now injury prone. That still lends little creedence to your argument. And others have adequately covered Schneider, who is much closer to being a prime player than you have given him credit for.


Now before anyone rants on me for being a "Luongo Lover" or "Hodgson Fanboy" hear me out and try to think of this objectively as possible.

Last season we had 3 very viable centers - Henrik, Kesler and Hodgson. Henrik, the veteran, is one of the league's best forwards and our captain and has proven himself consistently over the last odd decade. Kesler, not quite as old as Henrik but as big a leader and part of this team as he. Then there's Hodgson, the high draft pick and superstar in the making. He had done it all up to this point - performed exceptionally at big tournaments, put up stellar numbers in junior leagues and was basically on-par with Eberle in terms of development. Then this kid scores at a 20 goal, 40 point pace in his first season with the Canucks to prove himself. However, we trade Hodgson and keep Henrik and Kesler.

Now my question is, why are we trading Luongo but keeping Schneider? These goalies are in a very similar if not exact same predicament. We had Luongo (our former captain), one of the best goalies in the world and a veteran, and then Schneider - a guy who like Hodgson had played well in minor leagues. Schneider then plays in the NHL in limited game time and produces great numbers, similar to how Hodgson did. Nothing spectacular, he only played around 30 games, but his NHL success in limited time was very comparable to Hodgson's success in limited minutes.

My response to "oh but Luongo crapped the bed in the playoffs and looked shaky all year" is simple - how great was Kesler when it mattered most? 1 goal in his final 18 games of the season. That is on most other teams grounds for a swap, just brutal and a big reason we didn't beat Los Angeles. Kesler had a terrible season last year, Hodgson had a great one yet we didn't trade Kesler and keep Hodgson in the #2 center spot. Why not? Because Kesler won a Selke? Because Kesler had 2 good 70-point seasons? Hodgson was more than capable of playing a #2 center spot role and would eventually take our #1 spot without a doubt.

Now look back at Luongo. Luongo was also a superstar goalie and had a couple of stellar seasons. Yet we want to trade him, why? If you want to keep Henrik and Kesler over Hodgson, you should want to have Luongo in net over Schneider. It is an identical situation yet everyone's minds have been warped by the media and how our players have been portrayed - Kesler the superhero who plays with emotion and scores in big games and Luongo as the fragile goalie whose burned out. On the contrary, Kesler is the one coming off 3 major surgeries (the definition of fragile and burned out if you ask me) and Luongo is the one who single-handedly took this franchise to Game 7 and played big in the Gold Medal Game.

So simply, with all of that in mind, why Schneider over Luongo when we stuck with Kesler and Henrik over Hodgson?


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