Foo202 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 The twins will never be power be power forwards because they aren't power forwards, they are players who can distribute the puck effectively to create space and chances. We are in the same position as any other team if both our top players go down, we would have to hope Kesler is back and resort to defensive style hockey much like Pittsburgh did two years ago when Crosby and Malkin were out. Ever since they have been our top line, every team has tried to play physical against them, that goes with the territory of being smaller skilled players, but spite that they both have there name on the art ross. I will agree, the twins are not leaders who can light a fire under the team, but that is not how the leadership of this team is built. The twins show leadership through action and not talk, they show it by being smaller players who will take the hits to make plays, they show it by maintaining their composer and not retaliating and taking stupid penalties most of the time. The job of motivating the team in the way your describing usually falls on the other leaders of the team, Kesler and Bieksa. Those two have bigger personalities to verbally motivate a team, along with the size and play style to be physical and encourage others to do the same, but ultimately, Hendrik holds that C because he will be better chance at keeping the team unified, as opposed to say Kesler because bigger personalities tend to divide a room more often. Yes, this team has holes offensively, even if we had all our forwards healthy, the second and fourth lines seem lacking. That second line has not looked completely right since Kesler decided to become more of a goal scoring center, where every player since which has been put on that second line has typically been a shoot first type player which has cause players like Kesler and Booth to try to do everything themselves. Fourth line problems more come from needing a fourth line to more resemble a third line, which has been a problem due to money being invested elsewhere since we have a lack of prospects making significant contributions at a reduced cap hit. Its been 8 months since any of them have played a significant game, especially as a team. Considering this team employs a puck possession style which necessitates crisp and clean passing, that 8 month is a huge detriment to the precise timing needed to preform that under pressure, and is also not something you can regain in practice. This team will start off slow because of this, but with the condensed scheduled, they will probably regain this chemistry quickly and when that happens, this team will be a juggernaut because when the twins are able to maintain control of the puck for entire shifts without even letting the opposition touch it, that energy tends to trickle down the roster bringing the best out the rest of the roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kesler's Nose Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 And........... Cue the drama queens. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 How soon we forget, Roberto Luongo wore the "C" for the Nucks just a couple years ago. How is he our problem? Is it not sad when our team resorts to naming our goaltender the captain? Here is a scary thought... "Daniel or Henrik out for the season" due to injury... Who are they without each other? I fail to see the twins ever being the power forwards we need them to be, in order to bring the cup to Van. Sure they are capable of scoring and assisting, but all one has to do is look at them wrong, and they shart in their pants. Where is the leadership? We need power forwards. Not goaltending. Not defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchieBang Posted January 20, 2013 Author Share Posted January 20, 2013 When you are punched in the face 6 times in a row by brad marchand in the cup finals, and you have an A or C on your chest, and you don't do a frickin thing back to him, its moments like that when I worry about the teams ability to battle their way to the cup. We need some sort of physical intimidation. Otherwise we will just get walked all over. Time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 This is why we can't have nice things have a GDT/PGT. #signsthelockoutisover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zissou Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 ...and why do we need power fowards? I would love to hear your rock solid validation this point. Obviously everyone would love a power forward but there's not too many true power forwards in the NHL. There have been many team structures that have led to Stanley Cups. An emphasis on strength, and power forwards being one of them (ie Boston). But teams like Detroit who have had repeated playoff success are built on speed and depth, not brute strength. That's what this team is modeled after - so don't act like the sky is falling and say the team will never be successful because YOU disagree with their system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 How soon we forget, Roberto Luongo wore the "C" for the Nucks just a couple years ago. How is he our problem? Is it not sad when our team resorts to naming our goaltender the captain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DCR Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 When you are punched in the face 6 times in a row by brad marchand in the cup finals, and you have an A or C on your chest, and you don't do a frickin thing back to him, its moments like that when I worry about the teams ability to battle their way to the cup. We need some sort of physical intimidation. Otherwise we will just get walked all over. Time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowest common denominator Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Too much swede and too much americans. Said it before and I'll say it again, if the twins bring us a cup, I will eat a puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riske1 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 When you are punched in the face 6 times in a row by Brad Marchand the officiating is clearly incompetent. That's not a situation you need to base things around because it only happens when the officiating is completely Mickey Mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 The reason why they scored 7 goals wasn't because of the defence or goaltending IMO. The Canucks don't have a captain that is capable of lighting a fire under the teams ars's!! They submit under the slightest bit of pressure. Tell me how that radiates confidence through out the team There are different types of captains. Hank leads by example. There is no ego involved and by being the best he can be by training hard and working hard, he sets the bar. He's one of the best in the league, how can you find fault in him? If being a leading scorer consistently in the league doesn't instill some sense of confidence, then I don't know what will. Hank is a skill player, not a crasher and banger. I just don't know how you find fault there.... ^"Counting on the referees to protect you...." - it's not that as much as counting on them to do their jobs. In the past, it's been problematic as there is no overall consistency. Saw a bit of it (again) last night, when a pretty blatant cross check on Burr face first into the boards never got called. Sure, human error means they'll miss stuff - but the tone was set some time ago that we can't get away with any payback type punishment, so it became a suck it up mentality. That's not due to weakness, it's discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick 2.0 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 So... we need a captain that will run around, bang bodies through the boards and into the stands, turn around and punch anyone who touches him, score 7 goals per game while standing on his own defensive zone defending, will beat the crap out of his own teammates on the bench when they don't perform, and be the meanest sunofagun ever to play the sport. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottish⑦Canuck Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Too much swede and too much americans. Said it before and I'll say it again, if the twins bring us a cup, I will eat a puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Too much swede and too much americans. Said it before and I'll say it again, if the twins bring us a cup, I will eat a puck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowest common denominator Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Swedes win Presidents Trophies, Canadians win Stanley Cups. Go ask Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CCF4E Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Swedes win Presidents Trophies, Canadians win Stanley Cups. Go ask Ottawa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King of the ES Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 ^"Counting on the referees to protect you...." - it's not that as much as counting on them to do their jobs. In the past, it's been problematic as there is no overall consistency. Saw a bit of it (again) last night, when a pretty blatant cross check on Burr face first into the boards never got called. Sure, human error means they'll miss stuff - but the tone was set some time ago that we can't get away with any payback type punishment, so it became a suck it up mentality. That's not due to weakness, it's discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMacNamedDre Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 When you are punched in the face 6 times in a row by brad marchand in the cup finals, and you have an A or C on your chest, and you don't do a frickin thing back to him, its moments like that when I worry about the teams ability to battle their way to the cup. We need some sort of physical intimidation. Otherwise we will just get walked all over. Time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaMacNamedDre Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 When you are punched in the face 6 times in a row by Brad Marchand the officiating is clearly incompetent. That's not a situation you need to base things around because it only happens when the officiating is completely Mickey Mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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