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#181 TheCammer

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:53 PM

You go through all of that and dont mention Burrows or Raymond?
Bieksa was the main reason those goals were scored bad pinch and getting caught short handed. Of course there should have been too many men on the Flames on the 2nd.
Hamhuis had a fine game, and did will to cover for Bieksa on a couple of occasions.
Edler was aweful...I counted at least 3 passes straight up the middle of of his own end (2 of them getting picked off).
The Sedins timing is off right now, but thats to be expected, especially with a new line mate.


What are you talking about? Bieksa was the main reason those goals were scored? On the so-called "pinch" he is with his check the entire way down the ice. The only issue is that we may have backed in too far and the backside pressure from our forwards is not there so Tanguay gets the opportunity to snipe. On the second goal it is Hamhuis and Ballard on the ice with Bieska still on the bench and Edler in the box for "concealing" the puck. Maybe take the Bieksa "hate-lasers" off and really watch a game.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 01:58 PM

Maybe take the Bieksa "hate-lasers" off and really watch a game.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:09 PM

Schneider just has shootouts on lockdown. Even if Lu starts a game that goes to a shootout, Schneids should go in cold. I love Lu and want to see him in a Canucks jersey forever, but Schneids seriously has 1 on 0 locked. My coach would put me in cold when I played Midget AA if we had a shootout, even if our other G played the game. It was just obvious I was better 1 on 0. And we'd win. :lol:


we also actually scored in the shootout last night too that usually helps lol
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:14 PM

We finally played real Canucks hockey.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:26 PM

Hey guys, after watching Kassian's 1st goal...... How come Giordano's play was not a penalty? (closing his hand on the puck)


Its hard to say, he closed his hand on the puck when he caught it, but he immediatly dropped it to the ice. He never actually closed his hand over the puck while it was on the ice. He bumped with his glove...
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:32 PM

What are you talking about? Bieksa was the main reason those goals were scored? On the so-called "pinch" he is with his check the entire way down the ice. The only issue is that we may have backed in too far and the backside pressure from our forwards is not there so Tanguay gets the opportunity to snipe. On the second goal it is Hamhuis and Ballard on the ice with Bieska still on the bench and Edler in the box for "concealing" the puck. Maybe take the Bieksa "hate-lasers" off and really watch a game.


What are you talking about he started to move in on the pinch and got caught and was too slow to recover. Pretty typical Bieksa. On the second goal Bieksa was tried to break in short handed and again was caught up ice after nothing materialized. Just because he was on the bench when the goal was scored doesnt mean he wasnt the problem that caused it.

Maybe you need to take off the Bieksa man love mittens you are wearing to keep your hands warm for him, and see that Bieksa gets caught out of position on a regular basis, simply because he fancies himself (much like you fancy him) a offensive defenceman.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 02:44 PM

Didnt feel like going through every player, but I thought Raymond had a good game and Burrows was decent too.

Sedins were better than some thing imo, they are still controlling the puck and passing it around, just not executing and maybe not as creative as we have come to expect.

Bieksa made some bad plays but he also made some good plays, though I agree he could have been better. The rest we agree on.


It wasnt a slam against the Sedins so much as it was just noticing that they are just a bit off. They as usual controlled the play in the offensive zone (which still boggles my mind how two guys of their stature can protect the puck so well along the boards). I just know some people will just ignore if Raymond has a great game and then slam him at the first mistake he makes.
All things considered I thought Burr played outstanding playing out of position, and could really see him centering a line with Kes on it. I know it would seem weird to some but Burrows is def a better a playmaker.

My biggest problem with Bieksa is that he needs to be more physical, and take less risks pinching down, it was just more obvious last night because it cost us. Of course one of the goals never should have occured. How does one get a 7 on 4 PP anyway?
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:14 PM

Dale Weise showed why he's a fourth liner. Twice in the third period, I believe these both occurred in the third, where he had an excellent opportunity and fired the puck wide both times. The second instance he was in the slot and completely missed the net. I like Dale, but if you're a fourth liner.... just try and hit the net - don't pick corners. If you could pick corners easily you wouldn't be on the fourth.

Henrik continues to be a flop in the shooting department. 0 shots. Lost that prop. He only poses half an offensive threat if you know he wont shoot.

We're the only club in the NHL that will refuse to use their very best players in the shootout. AV would send himself out there before he used the twins. And enough of this Edler in the shootout experiment. He got lucky a few times but now he's just a wasted opportunity.

And hooray for Kassian. He's finally coming around, maybe. Perhaps people will stop breaking his balls. Perhaps King of the BS will acknowledge Kassian's strong play. Oh, wait, he's suspended for trolling :lol:
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:26 PM

AV would send himself out there before he used the twins.


Pretty sure I saw Daniel in the shootout
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:33 PM

Pretty sure I saw Daniel in the shootout


Really? I missed a shooter because I had to go to the gym :lol:
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:34 PM

Really? I missed a shooter because I had to go to the gym :lol:


Shot 3rd. No goal.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:44 PM

Shot 3rd. No goal.


Well, nm, then I guess :lol:

At least he went with Daniel as opposed to Raymond or Higgins. Daniel has the most skill, he's going to give you the best chance. It's common sense to use your best guys
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:45 PM

Well, nm, then I guess :lol:

At least he went with Daniel as opposed to Raymond



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Raymond shot too

You should stop now :P



Edit: Truth is this team is not built for that gimmick.

Edited by Shift-4, 24 January 2013 - 03:46 PM.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 03:55 PM

Well, nm, then I guess :lol:

At least he went with Daniel as opposed to Raymond or Higgins. Daniel has the most skill, he's going to give you the best chance. It's common sense to use your best guys


He used Raymond too...........tough round for you
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:00 PM

Well, nm, then I guess :lol:

At least he went with Daniel as opposed to Raymond or Higgins. Daniel has the most skill, he's going to give you the best chance. It's common sense to use your best guys


You should just give up and go watch the highlights.

Daniel's shootout attempt was almost as sad as Henrik's one during the scrimmage.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:02 PM

:bigblush:

I'm going to stop posting here

Wait, it went Burrows, Edler, Daniel, Raymond, then Kassian? At least AV went with the better guy first over the lesser guy. Hooray for something. Maybe that's what I'm trying to say, I dunno. Go with your best guys first. Then again the twins can be quite pathetic at this gimmick, I suppose they're on par with half the team regarding this.

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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:30 PM

What are you talking about he started to move in on the pinch and got caught and was too slow to recover. Pretty typical Bieksa. On the second goal Bieksa was tried to break in short handed and again was caught up ice after nothing materialized. Just because he was on the bench when the goal was scored doesnt mean he wasnt the problem that caused it.

Maybe you need to take off the Bieksa man love mittens you are wearing to keep your hands warm for him, and see that Bieksa gets caught out of position on a regular basis, simply because he fancies himself (much like you fancy him) a offensive defenceman.

Well Pal, I was at the game and have watched the replay several times to see if I agree with your "expert" assessment and I still don't. How is one to slow to recover that they are stride for stride beside their opponent? If that had been the issue Schneider would have cheated towards his blocker and given the short side. On the second goal he does drive deep but he is well off the ice and there are clearly four Canucks on the ice as Iginla winds it up. It had bugger all to do with Bieksa and more to do with not slowing Iginla through the neutral zone.

As far as my love mittens for Bieksa not sure how you surmised that? Is it the Bieksa Lloyd Christmas photo?? I actually am fully aware that Bieksa takes the odd(and some games' regular) bad chance and gets caught. I am a also aware this is why he and Hamhuis has worked as a pair because Bieksa takes risks and Hamhuis can cover for him. This year they seem a little out of sync likely due to the lockout.

My defending him on this is because your analysis is BS. Just another pile-on Bieksa clown like Canucklelion.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 04:46 PM

Oh get a room for yourself and lock it; come out when your excitement dies down! :wub:

Tanev played a great game, but needs to score, hit or rush the puck before he'll get into all star, never mind Norris, consideration.

But related.... I don't think Garrison looked good with Edler. I'm sure they'll get some games to figure it out, but Edler (who always looked a bit off doing so) has been the guy playing right side. It was DEFINITELY you also that assured me Garrison was a lock to play well on his off wing, so why is AV sendin g Edler that direction? Put Tanev up on the right side for some games with Edler. No he's not particularly offensive, but his steady play and passing will free Edler up to be. And Garrison can do the same for Ballard.

You know who else looked great tonight?

Ballard; his speed clearly broke plays!

Weise; lost in the victory was that he moved up from the 4th line and did not look out of place. Well, might have burried a chance, but heah, its 3rd line not top PP. I was surprised, and impressed, he could keep up with Schroeder and Raymond, also got some cracks with Hansen.

I'm clutching a bit with those two, but the exceeded expectations!

Raymond/Schroeder/Weise; There was serious speed on display there, and it made them dangerous!

My, oh, my; Kassian creates some match up problems. We all knew he had some soft hands, but what made his night was his work rate! He had the jam to get where he needed to skating hard all night, in the open ice... from corner to post, then back to the corner, in the cycle, back checking even. About the only time it looked like he ran out of steam is when he drifted in and took the G interference call. He's obviously waaay more explosive, and has some stamina now in his game! His goal was a perfect example, came around hard for the wrap around, then just kept digging, stood up and buried it!

Burrows! Yeah I know good but not prolific. But how much better did the 2knd line look, buzzing around defensively and creating pressure. The Canucks clearly won the puck control battle when they (add Higgin/Hansen in for credit) were on the ice; and they were on most of the time against Iggy and Camalerri. The result was we didn't see Manny (pardon the pun) D zone draws, nor much of our 4th line (Volpatti, Lappy and Malhotra) at all last night? A big upgrade on Ebbett, and if Kass can keep it up; why not keep it going till Kesler is back?

Eh; we'll see how some these teams stack up against larger teams (our 2knd and 3rd line was pretty small), but really we could have won that game by a lot more.

Waiting for some Sedin magic! :bigblush:


Tanev is looking like a young future Norris candidate! He and Ballard might be the top pairing at the moment. ::D


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Posted 24 January 2013 - 05:54 PM

i hope the bottom six gets put back how it was, and burr takes the second line wing spot. imagine if he had the puck on his stick instead of weise on some of those chances. Weise played well but i think he should be the offensive cog on the fourth line. let him create things off his stick, he's not much of a finisher. I would be very confident with the whole line up if they try it that way. Also, is anyone else sort of curious to see what ballard & tanev could do on that second power play? they've been solid, why not give them a shot? tanev can move the puck and ballard can make things happen. it would be a good rushing power play if it were raymond-schroeder-burrows with those two on D.
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Posted 24 January 2013 - 07:39 PM

Yeayea. I'm just pissed off at all the people hating on the ginger...

People telling the truth about the shootout shots being weak and straight at him ain't hating on ginger-boy.
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