underrated Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Schneider, Mason Raymond, Van 2013 first round pick to Columbus for Mason, 2013 CBJ first round pick Why: Mason is off to another bad start, and Bobrovsky clearly isn't the answer as Mason is still getting more starts than him. The Canucks take back Mason for salary purposes and can either lose him at the end of the year or trade him to another team wanting to take a chance on him (his RFA contract is expiring). Columbus gets a true #1 goalie, from the general region who is young. They also get an NHL forward to play in the top six, since they are very weak up front. The first round pick of the Canucks helps offset the top pick they are giving away. The clear reason for this trade is to hope that Columbus finishes at the bottom of the standings to get either Jones of MacKinnon. Columbus already has a couple pieces to their future but Schneider helps them both now and in the future with this deal. This is a big move to assure not only the present, but also the future of the Canucks since we can afford to lose a goalie at this point. Luongo does not have as much trade value and also has a NTC. Ballard, Schroeder, 3rd round pick for Visnovski and Neiderreiter Both Visnovski and Neiderreiter are unhappy on Long Island and want a change. Ballard gives the Isles a defenseman who has been top four in the past and who is signed long-term, a draft pick, good young prospect to replace Neiderreiter. The reasoning for the Canucks is talent. Visnovsky is older and on an expiring contract but is a better player than Ballard and will help in the playoff push. Neiderreiter has a much higher ceiling than Schroeder and has better size. He'll fit alongside Kesler and Booth nicely. When healthy: Sedin - Sedin - Kassian/Burrows Booth - Kesler - Neiderreiter Higgins - Hansen - Burrows/Kassian Manny - Lapierre - Volpatti/Weise Hamhuis - Bieksa Garrison - Edler Tanev - Visnovski Luongo Mason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ken kaniff Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 1st deal is no where near fair for us. add Johansen and a 1st instead to the CBJ deal and i think it would be ok. dont think NYI would take that deal. instead of Schroeder they would want a winger or D prospect, since they have Strome and Bailey and Neilsen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 That first deal is horrible. I mean fugly horrible. Schneider and our 1st would be too much for Mason and their 1st, never mind Raymond (who doesn't add a lot but is something). The second deal, it's not that Visnovski doesn't want to play in NYI so much but that his son is in the hospital with health issues back home and he's committed to staying there until it's resolved. He's already told the Isles he'll come over after that, which could be in a couple weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silver_surfer Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Awful trades. As MikeG keeps demonstrating he wants players with character, not talent. Lubo and Nino are pouting, not going to happen. Draft picks will not help us win the cup unless its a first overall and Jones wins Calder/Conn Smythe in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palindrom Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Schneider, Mason Raymond, Van 2013 first round pick to Columbus for Mason, 2013 CBJ first round pick Why: Mason is off to another bad start, and Bobrovsky clearly isn't the answer as Mason is still getting more starts than him. The Canucks take back Mason for salary purposes and can either lose him at the end of the year or trade him to another team wanting to take a chance on him (his RFA contract is expiring). Columbus gets a true #1 goalie, from the general region who is young. They also get an NHL forward to play in the top six, since they are very weak up front. The first round pick of the Canucks helps offset the top pick they are giving away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
underrated Posted February 1, 2013 Author Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think you guys are underestimating the value of the first or second overall pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palindrom Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think you guys are underestimating the value of the first or second overall pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palindrom Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Schneider, Mason Raymond, Van 2013 first round pick to Columbus for Mason, 2013 CBJ first round pick Why: Mason is off to another bad start, and Bobrovsky clearly isn't the answer as Mason is still getting more starts than him. The Canucks take back Mason for salary purposes and can either lose him at the end of the year or trade him to another team wanting to take a chance on him (his RFA contract is expiring). Columbus gets a true #1 goalie, from the general region who is young. They also get an NHL forward to play in the top six, since they are very weak up front. The first round pick of the Canucks helps offset the top pick they are giving away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nail Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 If Columbus had Schneider, I would think that they wouldn't come last place in the West would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palindrom Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 If Columbus had Schneider, I would think that they wouldn't come last place in the West would they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I almost threw up at that Columbus trade... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Columbus trade is downright brutal. Ballard > Visnovsky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks1 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Not sure is serious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Awful trades. As MikeG keeps demonstrating he wants players with character, not talent. Lubo and Nino are pouting, not going to happen. Draft picks will not help us win the cup unless its a first overall and Jones wins Calder/Conn Smythe in 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I think you guys are underestimating the value of the first or second overall pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 There will be a weighted lottery for all non-playoff teams, where even the team that comes 17th in the league will have a chance to move up to the #1 overall pick. Previously, only one of the bottom five in the league (26th-30th) would have had the chance to move up as far. Certainly, if we trade them a true starting goalie in Schneider, it's reasonable to expect they will do better than last year. If they do play better and get closer to the playoffs, their chance at the top pick diminishes greatly. We still have a chance at their pick being 1st overall, but we aren't going to overpay and take back Mason, whose contract will be roughly the same next year if we choose to keep him. If we used the "it could be a 1st overall" logic, we can also apply that to our pick, which could end up being 16th overall (if we stay in 14th as we are right now, and if we don't make it to the final 4 in the playoffs our spot wouldn't change). The picks aren't significantly guaranteed to be different enough to overcome the significant difference in the quality of the goalies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
palindrom Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Certainly, if we trade them a true starting goalie in Schneider, it's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Give Schneider and Raymond to Columbus without losing any roster player of note, and here's betting they climb to 9th or 10th in the west... So no, we're not getting a first or second overall pick, an no we don't do this deal! I agree with Elvis and others; why would the Islanders give us Ninno for that package? I think you guys are underestimating the value of the first or second overall pick! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 If Columbus ends up last they cannot pick lower than 2nd and they have a 48% chance of picking first. Your odds at 17th are pitifully low. There will be significant difference in the value of the Canucks 1st round pick and that of the Jackets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted February 2, 2013 Share Posted February 2, 2013 So, again, are you able to guarantee that Columbus would end up last in the NHL (or at least very close) with the acquisition of Schneider? Lacking a guarantee, would you be able to provide a compelling argument that they would end up last (or close to it)? Columbus currently sits 25th in the league, which is actually helped by being 20th in GAA. Their scoring is letting them down though, since they're 2nd to last in goals for per game (right behind LA, but ahead of Nashville). Their PP is not great (24th so again bad offence) but their PK is actually pretty good (10th). They're top 5 in hits so far and have very few giveaways (second least in the NHL) but not a lot of takeaways. Looking at their performance so far, it isn't unreasonable to suggest they're better than a bottom 5 team in the NHL, so it's also not unreasonable to suggest they'll improve further if they acquire someone like Schneider - especially if they can find a way to score more goals or at least generate more shots. Let me rephrase then if you don't like the term starter (as Mason has been CBJ's starter for some time). How about a quality goalie, evaluated by many in the know to have at least reasonable success in the NHL now that he's been developed by the Canucks. Anything can happen, but there's no question Schneider is a big upgrade for Columbus as Mason hasn't panned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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