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#1 BurnabyJoe

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:05 AM

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I have nothing against Cory Schneider and believe he isn't far away from elite goaltender status.

But he is still very unproven in comparison to Roberto Luongo.

With Luongo we get critical (and often overlooked) playoff experience and what no doubt is a much more mature goaltender than in years past.

He just might be our best option this spring.

Yes you could say I'm too into the current Luongo love-in. But we're we not all a little hysterical in anointing Cory Schneider our undisputed #1?

Yes he signed a 3 year deal under the presumption he'd be here, starting. But Roberto Luongo the man who has backstopped this team the past 6 seasons, signed a 12 year deal ALSO in good faith assuming he'd be here the rest of his career.

I know, the decision was made for on ice reasons only. But so is this one. Strictly business.


Do the Canucks not have to re-consider the possibility of moving Cory Schneider? If it makes the team better, it would be simply insane not to.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:07 AM

As important I forgot to mention the obvious.

Cory Schneider brings in a better return, for a team ready to win NOW.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:08 AM

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I've been saying it all along. Lu's better, more proven, and Cory will fetch a better return. Simple as that.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:11 AM

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If we trade Schneider.

It will be like if Montreal traded Price instead of Halak, it is something we will regret. Just watch.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:16 AM

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We'd get a better return but Schneider is younger and would benefit our team for the future. We'd regret it if we traded him.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:31 AM

people are thinking trading Schneider will get us more so that would probably get us a player that would help us right now and improve the team in front of Luongo, can't complain about that. But then it could backfire if Lu meltsdown or Schneider goes and becomes a superstar on the team we traded him to

or if you build for the future instead and trade Luongo for draft picks/prospects etc. and hope Schneider becomes the elite goalie everyone hopes he will be.

it's a gamble either way.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:33 AM

ya like many have said schneider is for the future luongo can supply what 3-5 more years where schneider can supply 10 years lack and cannata are still relatively rookies in the ahl and only lack seems ready for back up position so we do have some goaltending depth but not enough to trade schneider and ride luongo til he retires or slows down
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:41 AM

I'm sure they are already considering it and have been for quite some time.

Two things have to happen for CS to be traded.

1. MG thinks trading CS improves the team more than a Luongo trade does.
2. LU asks not to be traded.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:42 AM

If we trade Schneider.

It will be like if Montreal traded Price instead of Halak, it is something we will regret. Just watch.


Don't think Montreal is regretting trading Halak instead of Price. Thing is Schneider may be our future, but he is all we will have for this team in the future. We need to trade him to get the return and win now. With Sedins getting older, after a few years we will be a crappy team infront of solid goalie.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:42 AM

Not going to get into who should be traded but they have 2 very attractive assets and this team needs a shake-up in the top 6. The offensive output is abismal and Kesler and Booth aren't the silver bullet. The offense needs a major infusion of creativity and intensity and one of the goalies could land a strong enough, proven NHLer capable of making a difference.

Word has it Philly is looking to make a "big deal" to shake up their team. MG should be on the phone to Holmgren. Maybe he is.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:54 AM

If we trade Schneider.

It will be like if Montreal traded Price instead of Halak, it is something we will regret. Just watch.


What's there to regret? Not as if Price didnt turn out good, franchise goaltender for them. But if we can get a good return for Schneider, I'm happy.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:56 AM

Don't think Montreal is regretting trading Halak instead of Price. Thing is Schneider may be our future, but he is all we will have for this team in the future. We need to trade him to get the return and win now. With Sedins getting older, after a few years we will be a crappy team infront of solid goalie.


I said if they had traded Price instead of Halak.

You can't look at trading away one of our most valuable assets for a one shot or bust thing. And what are we expecting to get? A superstar? Highly unlikely.

If we get someone that is a star player, then I'm sure MG will do. But realistically what will we actually get for Schneider? Probably just better futures. No reason to do it, we don't need more depth. This perception that Cory will get us a start player or some much needed major asset is actually very unlikely.

Luongo has had his opportunities in the playoffs and hasn't played to his capabilities, it is time for Schneider to get that chance, as I think he is more capable of pulling a Thomas/Quick than Luongo is.

If we trade Schneider we will regret it.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:57 AM

I've been saying it all along. Lu's better, more proven, and Cory will fetch a better return. Simple as that.


And then what happens when the stakes are high and Lu starts blowing games in the playoffs? Just keep playing him and hope for the best?
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 01:58 AM

What's there to regret? Not as if Price didnt turn out good, franchise goaltender for them. But if we can get a good return for Schneider, I'm happy.


Again, imagine if they traded Price instead of Halak, now look at them, they would be at the bottom of the eastern conference While St.Louis would be at the top of the West, with the better goalie.

Everyone is jumping the ship cause Lu had a few great games (Which I was expecting all along) Schneider will jump back in and play just aswell as he has.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:03 AM

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No but really keep em both until the seasons done, it gives us a better chance to win... Then trade Schneider :)

Edited by Armada, 03 February 2013 - 02:05 AM.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:05 AM

ya like many have said schneider is for the future luongo can supply what 3-5 more years where schneider can supply 10 years lack and cannata are still relatively rookies in the ahl and only lack seems ready for back up position so we do have some goaltending depth but not enough to trade schneider and ride luongo til he retires or slows down


I seriously couldn't understand what you just said....
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:06 AM

And then what happens when the stakes are high and Lu starts blowing games in the playoffs? Just keep playing him and hope for the best?


Ever gonna let go of the past? It's now been years since he had a meltdown. Might as well also think that we'll never score in the playoffs ever again if we're using that logic.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:10 AM

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If we trade Schneider.

It will be like if Montreal traded Price instead of Halak, it is something we will regret. Just watch.


One could argue that it would be the other way around. Price would be like Lu as in being the established #1 goalie until Halak/Cory took over temporarily.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:14 AM

One could argue that it would be the other way around. Price would be like Lu as in being the established #1 goalie until Halak/Cory took over temporarily.


Exactly this.

Halak took over the job from Price and everyone loved him. Then when they traded Halak, all the Habs fans had their arms up in the air but since then Price has really benefited them and has been a solid #1 goalie. Don't think Habs fans regret it at all.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:23 AM

One could argue that it would be the other way around. Price would be like Lu as in being the established #1 goalie until Halak/Cory took over temporarily.


Price wasn't the established #1 though.

He was the unproven kid with sky high potential, that's Schneider.

Halak was the guy coming off a very hot performance which turned fans in his favor, That's Luongo.

Had they made the same move you want us to do, alot of fans would be regretting it now as Price is easily the better goaltending.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:27 AM

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Price wasn't the established #1 though.

He was the unproven kid with sky high potential, that's Schneider.

Halak was the guy coming off a very hot performance which turned fans in his favor, That's Luongo.


Had they made the same move you want us to do, alot of fans would be regretting it now as Price is easily the better goaltending.


Ughhh...

You got it all wrong.

This was Luongo's team, Schneider played well last season and took over apparently and turned into a fan favorite.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:34 AM

Ughhh...

You got it all wrong.

This was Luongo's team, Schneider played well last season and took over apparently and turned into a fan favorite.


We are talking about the most recent turn of fan opinion.

At the time Schneider took over, everyone was on Schneiders side it seemed. Just like everyone in MTL once had all there eggs in Price's basket. Then Luongo played as well as he did yesterday, and things started to change. Halak played aswell as he did in the cup run, and things started to change.

Then management went with the who they thought would be the best option long term aswell as short term, and Wham. They made the right call.

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:34 AM

Price wasn't the established #1 though.

He was the unproven kid with sky high potential, that's Schneider.

Halak was the guy coming off a very hot performance which turned fans in his favor, That's Luongo.

Had they made the same move you want us to do, alot of fans would be regretting it now as Price is easily the better goaltending.


Price was the established #1 until the playoffs of 2010. Price was the starter for a couple years before that, well before Halak came into the picture.

I think you got it backwards here.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:37 AM

We are talking about the most recent turn of fan opinion.

At the time Schneider took over, everyone was on Schneiders side it seemed. Just like everyone in MTL once had all there eggs in Price's basket. Then Luongo played as well as he did yesterday, and things started to change. Halak played aswell as he did in the cup run, and things started to change.


Well I don't think we can fairly make any comparisons to Montreal if we're only basing this off what happened last week.

Both teams had their controversy in the playoffs, which is far different from the first 2 weeks of the regular season
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:37 AM

We are talking about the most recent turn of fan opinion.

At the time Schneider took over, everyone was on Schneiders side it seemed. Just like everyone in MTL once had all there eggs in Price's basket. Then Luongo played as well as he did yesterday, and things started to change. Halak played aswell as he did in the cup run, and things started to change.

Then management went with the who they thought would be the best option long term aswell as short term, and Wham. They made the right call.


You realize what you're saying is that trading Schneider would be the right call then?

Price was the starter, Halak took over, got traded, Price remained starter.

Example:

Luongo was the starter, Schneider took over, got traded, Luongo remained starter.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:37 AM

Price was the established #1 until the playoffs of 2010. Price was the starter for a couple years before that, well before Halak came into the picture.

I think you got it backwards here.


Circumstances & specifics are a tad different, but it is the same basic picture.

But it is like I said above.

Price was the starter, and then Halak played great and changed fan opinion.

Schneider was apparently the starter, then Luongo played great, and changed fan opinion.

MTL went against that and made the correct call, I am hoping we do the same.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:38 AM

You realize what you're saying is that trading Schneider would be the right call then?

Price was the starter, Halak took over, got traded, Price remained starter.

Example:

Luongo was the starter, Schneider took over, got traded, Luongo remained starter.


No Schneider was apparently the starter, Luongo just took over according to everyone. And now he has fan opinion.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:40 AM

Well I don't think we can fairly make any comparisons to Montreal if we're only basing this off what happened last week.

Both teams had their controversy in the playoffs, which is far different from the first 2 weeks of the regular season


This is exactly why we shouldn't trade Schneider!!!

Luongo played great last week, its 8 games into the season, for all we know Schnieder could jump back in next game, and go on an even longer streak. It is waaayy to early to jump the gun like this.

Personally I think we should hold onto both for the time being, but Luongo is the one that ultimately should go, as Schneider overall is the better and more valuable option for us.
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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:41 AM

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 02:41 AM

Circumstances & specifics are a tad different, but it is the same basic picture.

But it is like I said above.

Price was the starter, and then Halak played great and changed fan opinion.

Schneider was apparently the starter, then Luongo played great, and changed fan opinion.

MTL went against that and made the correct call, I am hoping we do the same.


That's what's different. Schneider could barely be called a starter. He was starter for what, 3 or 4 games? Price was starter for a couple of years.

And I don't think Lu's recent play has changed many people's opinions. Everyone who wanted him gone still does for the most part.
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