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#1 RyanKeslord17

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:53 PM

WHERE JORDAN SCHROEDER FITS IN ONCE RYAN KESLER AND DAVID BOOTH RETURN TO THE LINEUP

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Going somewhere, Jordan?

Before the season, I wrote about how it was time for Jordan Schroeder to get his chance. Over the course of the past two seasons, hed proved himself to be a solid two-way performer in Chicago and I figured it was time to test him at a higher level.

Hes been getting plenty of press lately and with Schroeder continuing his strong play in his hometown on Thursday night, it all fit into a lovely narrative. But histrionic gushing aside, we shouldn't let any of that obscure the fact that on the whole, hes made the transition well and looks like he belongs at the NHL level (though he still needs to be more productive offensively).

One other thing is equally clear, though: hes no Ryan Kesler. More on the Canucks two American centres after the jump.

Last week Drance wrote about the four ways that the Canucks miss Ryan Kesler. One of those areas is his even-strength dominance. Kesler plays tough minutes in his own zone, turns the puck the other way and still generates plenty of offence.

If theres one thing to point to in the difference between their respective games, its this.

Schroeder has faced relatively straightforward minutes in his 7 NHL games hes seventh among Canucks forwards in Quality of Competition. Hes playing a relatively even game in those minutes youd like to see more shots while hes on the ice, but the sample size is still quite small - and it will bear watching to see where his corsi numbers go over the next fifteen games or so.

Kesler, on the other hand, faced the fifith tough competition among regular Canucks forwards in 2011-12, grouped with his most frequent linemates, David Booth and Chris Higgins.

If we go off the lineup that Alain Vigneault used on Thursday night and look to triangulate what will happen when Kesler returns - as Jeff Angus did just the other day - it seems pretty clear that one of Mason Raymond or Jannik Hansen will slide down to the third line, leaving Kesler to play with one of those two and either Chris Higgins, Zack Kassian or Alex Burrows. With David Booth still out, it seems likely that Schroeder will remain in the lineup, centring what would be a very speedy third line. Kesler would draw tougher match ups than Schroeder, allowing the diminutive Minnesotan more high-quality development time.

That is, unless the Canucks decide to try out Ryan Kesler on the wing. On August 21st, this past summer, Canucks Assisstant General Manager Laurence Gilman appeared on the Team1040 for a full hour with Matt Sekeres. At one point during the illuminating chat (which Drance covered at length at the time), Gilman was asked whether or not the Canucks needed a "playmaking winger" to play alongside David Booth and Ryan Kesler.

Vancouver's resident capologist and chief analytics guy scoffed at the notion a bit, and quipped "playmaking winger? That's a good euphemism." But he went on to give a fascinating answer, even describing his seeming preference for playing Ryan Kesler on the wing.

"Ryan is a finisher, he's a shooter and he's a unique centreiceman (he's also really good at Faceoffs which is a key role for a centreiceman)," explained Gilman, "but some of the best hockey Kesler played in my time here is when he played right wing, with Mats Sundin in the middle." He continued to discuss a scenario in which the Canucks might consider moving Ryan Kesler over the wing, "When you have assets like Jordan Schroeder you have the luxury of maybe playing Ryan with other players."

So what has become a recent talking point among Canucks fans and media, is actually something Laurence Gilman was discussing as early as late August of 2012. Whether or not we'll actually see this come to pass, however, will obviously depend on whether or not Jordan Schroeder can continue to impress with his two-way game over the next dozen or so games.

Transcribed Gilman quotes are courtesy Thomas Drance, and Gilman gave those quotes during his hour long Team 1040 interview with Matt Sekeres on August 21st, 2012. Unfortunately the podcast is no longer hosted on the Team 1040 webpage.

Patrick Johnston is a freelance journalist in Vancouver. In addition to regular contributions here at Canucks Army, his work has appeared in The Province, Hockey Now and on the CBC. Check out his blog and other writing at http://johnstonwrites.wordpress.com or follow him on twitter: @risingaction



Just thought I'd share that with you guys. I personally would love to see Schroeder between Kesler and Booth.

Edited by RyanKeslord17, 09 February 2013 - 01:57 PM.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:55 PM

On the 3rd line.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Higgins - Malhotra - Lapierre
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 01:55 PM

with our depth, there is no way we shouldn't make it to the finals.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:00 PM

On the 3rd line.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Higgins - Malhotra - Lapierre


That second line is very intriguing. I'm not sure whether it will dominate or stink.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:09 PM

I`d like to see what Schroeder can accomplish setting up Kesler & Booth. Both of those guys need a playmaker badly. Kassian with Kesler & Booth is pretty much having the same 3 types of players on one line.

However, Schroeder has made Raymond much better and seems to work well with Hansen as well.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:14 PM

Not sure about this season, but in a perfect world, next year it would be

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Schroeder - Kesler
Burrows - Lapierre - Higgins
Volpatti - Pinozotto - Hansen

as the forward pairings, Jensen could also steal Higgins spot

Edited by Spotted Zebra, 09 February 2013 - 02:15 PM.

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:20 PM

i cant see higgins playing 4th line, and no toughness without volpatti? I think once booth and kesler are back i think schroeder gets sent down to play top min in the ahl

Unless a trade is made where we loose a forward i cant see schroeder staying here all year
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:21 PM

That second line is very intriguing. I'm not sure whether it will dominate or stink.


Either way it will be a pain in the ass,

with one of the league's best Two Way Defenseman and Two Power Forwards(one speedy and good on the rush, and one offensively aware with great passing) that line should at least be a literal pain in the ass, either for outworking the opponent or being able to outmuscle them.

The 3rd line really looks promising though, so much speed and talent.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:23 PM

Not sure about this season, but in a perfect world, next year it would be

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Schroeder - Kesler
Burrows - Lapierre - Higgins
Volpatti - Pinozotto - Hansen

as the forward pairings, Jensen could also steal Higgins spot


Come on you guys, as much as I'd like to keep the little bugger he ain't playing on the 2nd line to push Hansen or Higgins to the forth and Volpatti out of the lineup.

And centering Kesler?

Lord have mercy

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:25 PM

Not sure about this season, but in a perfect world, next year it would be

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Booth - Schroeder - Kesler
Burrows - Lapierre - Higgins
Volpatti - Pinozotto - Hansen

as the forward pairings, Jensen could also steal Higgins spot


Would love that, but I think Hansen would be underutilized playing 4th line minutes.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:28 PM

Get Kassian up with the twins before the playoffs so if we need more muscle on that line, there's chemisty. Put Schroeder ad Booth on the 3rd to spread out scoring.

Sedin-Sedin-Kassquatch
Raymond-Kesler-Burrows
Booth-Schroeder-Hansen
Higgins-Lapierre-Volpatti

Malhotra

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

Come on you guys, as much as I'd like to keep the little bugger he ain't playing on the 2nd line to push Hansen or Higgins to the forth and Volpatti out of the lineup.

And centering Kesler?

Lord have mercy


Yea, people seem to forget Kesler is more so a playmaker than a goal scorer for the better part of his career, his highest point total season had him sitting with 50 assists and 25 goals, and the rest of his career say for his 40+ goal season reflects his playmaking ability.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:29 PM

i cant see higgins playing 4th line, and no toughness without volpatti? I think once booth and kesler are back i think schroeder gets sent down to play top min in the ahl

Unless a trade is made where we loose a forward i cant see schroeder staying here all year



I agree with this except for the part about Higgy not being on the 4th line. With all our depth I don't see him being able to hold onto a 3rd line spot next year and he will either be traded, bought out, or on the 4th line. Hopefully on the 4th line so we got some ridiculous depth.

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Booth - Kesler - Kassian
Raymond - Schroeder - Jensen
Higgins - Hansen - Lapierre

lol it wont be 4 lines it would be
Scoring Line
Shutdown Line
Speed Line
Secondary Scoring Line
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

Kesler when he broke in had almost no offensive contribution.

Neither did Pavol Datsyk (sp!) or a host of other players.

We don't know the type of player Schroeder will become. He isn't a power forward, but he could be extrememly effective.

Ridiculous to make judgements too soon. Typical crap journalism - all about hype without an understanding of the process...
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

Saw that the other day, and I hope he somehow fits on the 2nd between Kesler and Booth since he adds a playmaker to that line. However, I'm sure it'd be ok if this went in one of the many lineup threads:
Burrows or Kassian on the top line once Kesler is back?
When Kesler is back, who goes down?
Canucks Forward Lines when Kesler and Booth comes back?
Lines when Kesler is back
Wondering about lines when Kesler & Booth return.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:40 PM

Saw that the other day, and I hope he somehow fits on the 2nd between Kesler and Booth since he adds a playmaker to that line. However, I'm sure it'd be ok if this went in one of the many lineup threads:
Burrows or Kassian on the top line once Kesler is back?
When Kesler is back, who goes down?
Canucks Forward Lines when Kesler and Booth comes back?
Lines when Kesler is back
Wondering about lines when Kesler & Booth return.


Its not officially a thread until Elvis 15 calls it redundant.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:44 PM

Schroeder won't go back to the AHL.........just get rid of someone esle as he is like the fourth best playmaker in the team that make a good pass
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 02:58 PM

I`d like to see what Schroeder can accomplish setting up Kesler & Booth. Both of those guys need a playmaker badly. Kassian with Kesler & Booth is pretty much having the same 3 types of players on one line.

However, Schroeder has made Raymond much better and seems to work well with Hansen as well.


Actually, I would argue that Kassian's passing abilities might be his best, though underrated, asset. He has tremendous vision and his passing is outstanding
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:00 PM

Saw that the other day, and I hope he somehow fits on the 2nd between Kesler and Booth since he adds a playmaker to that line. However, I'm sure it'd be ok if this went in one of the many lineup threads:
Burrows or Kassian on the top line once Kesler is back?
When Kesler is back, who goes down?
Canucks Forward Lines when Kesler and Booth comes back?
Lines when Kesler is back
Wondering about lines when Kesler & Booth return.


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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:05 PM

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Kesler-Hansen
Raymond-Schreoder-Kassian
Higgins-Lappy-Weise

There's a log jam of wingers fighting for 2nd line minutes. It's kinda up in the air for me. AV should have fun trying to figure it out.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:12 PM

Yes,agreed,but Burrows digs the pucks out of the corners which Kass does not manage as effectively.
So,Kassian benefits more from the Sedins than vice versa.
Kass parks in front of the net on PP's with the Twins and rides shotgun when there is an idiot alert.
Otherwise,Burr plays even strength minutes with the Twins.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:13 PM

I would just want to try this out for a game:

Sedin-Sedin-Burrows
Booth-Schroeder-Kesler
Higgins-Lapierre-Kassian
Raymond-Malhotra-Hansen

Unbelieve depth. Each line has a serious scoring ability. I would play lines 3 & 4 completely even. Something like this:

Line 1: 17 mins
Line 2. 17 mins
Line 3: 13 mins
Line 4: 13 mins

This takes the pressure off our first TWO lines to score. Not many teams can say that

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:20 PM

He has earned the right to stay. Whether it be on the third line or second, this kid will strut his stuff now that the jitters are gone.
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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:24 PM

Anyway you slice it we still got a nice big ol' pie to divvy up into our 4 slices. Can't wait to see what this group can accomplish next 2-3 years... Could be some very good ones like multi cup ones if you know what I mean!

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Posted 09 February 2013 - 03:30 PM

Saw that the other day, and I hope he somehow fits on the 2nd between Kesler and Booth since he adds a playmaker to that line. However, I'm sure it'd be ok if this went in one of the many lineup threads:
Burrows or Kassian on the top line once Kesler is back?
When Kesler is back, who goes down?
Canucks Forward Lines when Kesler and Booth comes back?
Lines when Kesler is back
Wondering about lines when Kesler & Booth return.

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