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#1 Italia2006

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:01 AM

The Canucks haven't been good since our BIG win against the Bruins last year. We've been on a downward slide. Yes we lost Daniel for pretty much the playoffs but I don't think it would of made that much of a difference. Our pp continues to not get it done and we spend over $5 mill for a guy with a cannon and he sits on the bench while Hamhuis misses the net on the pp.

The Penguins and Kings made a big coaching change and won the cup. I think the perfect guy for this team is Lindy Ruff. I think he could be the guy to help us win the big trophy.

The Canucks need a kick in the a** to get going.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:07 AM

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:10 AM

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If we were to get rid of AV, Lindy Ruff would be my choice as new coach.
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Kesler was lucky to score 20 this year since the injury to Morrison allowed him to do so.

I doubt Kesler would ever break 15 goals in his career again.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:12 AM

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The simple answer is yes.

The Realistic answer MG wont fire him and will burn another year with this team. Once Lindy Ruff is hired which could be anytime now, then ya your next best option is this John Cooper AHL coach i suppose. But id prefer a proven NHL coach like Ruff.

They havent changed the PP and we cant score. Before Booths injury why not try him on the PP. Why is Hamhuis on the 1st unit over Garrison? I would have Bieksa on the point aswell as he can get the puck on net, chances for tips and rebounds are how alot of goals can get scored on PP.

They looked unethused to play last night against a detroit team who played friday, definitely looks like our team doesnt want to play 100% for close to a full game.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:14 AM

It's time for someone to make an original thread. It's not the coach, its the players.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:14 AM

No, it's not time to consider getting a new coach.

"Should we get a new coach" threads are normally started on Mondays.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:14 AM

If we were to get rid of AV, Lindy Ruff would be my choice as new coach.


While he is still available, you have to kick the tires and see if he would be interested, if he was then thats the 1st freebie move any GM makes is to fire the coach, especially one he has inherited and has been with the team for a while and hasnt proven much success in the playoffs except for 1 season, which hey, its great in all but anything less than a stanley cup with the team we have should be considered not good enough, players will only get older and the window slowly closes every year
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:15 AM

*see below*

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:16 AM

The Canucks haven't been good since our BIG win against the Bruins last year. We've been on a downward slide. Yes we lost Daniel for pretty much the playoffs but I don't think it would of made that much of a difference. Our pp continues to not get it done and we spend over $5 mill for a guy with a cannon and he sits on the bench while Hamhuis misses the net on the pp.

The Penguins and Kings made a big coaching change and won the cup. I think the perfect guy for this team is Lindy Ruff. I think he could be the guy to help us win the big trophy.

The Canucks need a kick in the a** to get going.


Before this gets locked. Yes they need a new coach.

No, not Lindy Ruff. No recycled guys with almost the same credentials that AV holds. Same era different tune.

You're right, this team needs a kick, there's so little motivation evident.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:16 AM

The simple answer is no.

Unnecessary.

MG must supply the coaches with a few players that can execute the way they need to and so that everyone can play at their strengths and positions.

The team needs 2 killer centermen.

And the damn players must play desperate and execute.


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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:16 AM

The simple answer is yes.

The Realistic answer MG wont fire him and will burn another year with this team. Once Lindy Ruff is hired which could be anytime now, then ya your next best option is this John Cooper AHL coach i suppose. But id prefer a proven NHL coach like Ruff.

They havent changed the PP and we cant score. Before Booths injury why not try him on the PP. Why is Hamhuis on the 1st unit over Garrison? I would have Bieksa on the point aswell as he can get the puck on net, chances for tips and rebounds are how alot of goals can get scored on PP.

They looked unethused to play last night against a detroit team who played friday, definitely looks like our team doesnt want to play 100% for close to a full game.


The other problem with AV is his lack of being able to groom our young talent.
If we don't get Ruff I'd be very dissapointed but another guy I'd consider is Crawford. He has a real team here that he can coach. He won a cup with the Avalanche.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:18 AM

It was after last years playoffs in my opinion. Vigneault had a good run here, now we need to change it up for the players. They're too comfortable.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:18 AM

Lets gets rid of Neil brown first
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:19 AM

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The simple answer is no.

Unnecessary.

MG must supply the coaches with a few players that can execute the way they need to and so that everyone can play at their strengths and positions.

The team needs 2 killer centermen.


That's the problem, AV doesn't use what Gillis has given him. Where was Garrison last night on the 5 on 3?

Why is it good players suddenly become poor when they arrive in Vancouver? I watched Garrison on more than one occasion last season when he was in Florida. He's not the same here because he's not being used the same.

Needing help at center is obvious.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:20 AM

*see below*


AV had 3 killer centres and he couldn't make it work.
Henrik, Kesler and Hodgson.
Gillis has given him Ballard, Garrison and Booth and all 3 to this point haven't succeeded.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:21 AM

Lets gets rid of Neil brown first


Let the new coach pick his staff.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:22 AM

Yes... or we can just keep chugging along unmotivated and predictable. If this was a warzone we would've replaced our Commander already. You can't keep losing battles and expect to win the war. We will not win the cup with the way they are playing and with the current leadership...
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:23 AM

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According to Rhett Warrener, one of Ruff's strengths as a coach is his ability to adjust his systems according to what the opposition is doing. He cited the 1999 SC run (which Buffalo eventually lost to Dallas) as an example. According to Rhett, the Sabres were outmatched in pretty much every category (except goaltending) in every series but Ruff was able to implement strategies to counter the systems the other teams were employing.
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I doubt Kesler would ever break 15 goals in his career again.

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:24 AM

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That's the problem, AV doesn't use what Gillis has given him. Where was Garrison last night on the 5 on 3?

Why is it good players suddenly become poor when they arrive in Vancouver? I watched Garrison on more than one occasion last season when he was in Florida. He's not the same here because he's not being used the same.

Needing help at center is obvious.


Neither is Ballard since he's come here.
I look at what coach MacLean is doing with the Senators. He puts players in the position to succeed. That's what we need.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:26 AM

Years overdue frankly, but with injuries, AV won't be fired...he can blame his faults on the lack of talent..which is ironic since he is a great coach of unskilled players...but a bad coach of the talent we have on the team.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:27 AM

According to Rhett Warrener, one of Ruff's strengths as a coach is his ability to adjust his systems according to what the opposition is doing. He cited the 1999 SC run (which Buffalo eventually lost to Dallas) as an example. According to Rhett, the Sabres were outmatched in pretty much every category (except goaltending) in every series but Ruff was able to implement strategies to counter the systems the other teams were employing.


That's exactly what we need.
How many times did AV get out coached in the playoffs by the other coach? Almost every time. Quenville out coaches him time after time.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:28 AM

Yes. Hasn't this been beaten to death on the boards alreaady?
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:30 AM

Just curious, are you guys hoping Gillis fires AV during this season, or should he wait until after the playoffs?

While he is still available, you have to kick the tires and see if he would be interested, if he was then thats the 1st freebie move any GM makes is to fire the coach, especially one he has inherited and has been with the team for a while and hasnt proven much success in the playoffs except for 1 season, which hey, its great in all but anything less than a stanley cup with the team we have should be considered not good enough, players will only get older and the window slowly closes every year


Ruff guided the Sabres to the playoffs twice in the last five years. This would have been twice in the last six had he not been fired. I'm not suggesting he's a bad coach, but obviously something went south in the Sabres dressing room.

Gillis inherited AV, as in he chose to keep AV back in 2008. Since then, Gillis has extended AV's contract (twice, I believe).

If anyone has a problem with AV's coaching style, then you also have a problem with Gillis, for it is Gillis who is keeping AV here. If AV has to go, then so should Gillis.

There are some who would view this as a good thing, and who knows, they may well get their wish. Perhaps it happening sooner rather than later will be a good thing, so we can all get started on threads about the good old days when Gillis and AV were running the team. :)

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:30 AM

That's the problem, AV doesn't use what Gillis has given him. Where was Garrison last night on the 5 on 3?

Why is it good players suddenly become poor when they arrive in Vancouver? I watched Garrison on more than one occasion last season when he was in Florida. He's not the same here because he's not being used the same.

Needing help at center is obvious.


I dont understand.

He is using good players and maxing out the healthy ones and they are playing to their strengths.

And that is a total myth that players suddenly play poor. Ehrhof is a quick example.

And yes, Garry is being used differently. In fact they have been giving him so many different looks with linemates as well. He will fit, its just where.

Im not bothered that he wasnt utilized on a 5 on 3. I dont think the team likes bombing the puck from the blueline in that scenario. Its more prudent that the skaters are in motion.

Im more bothered that Tanev is not being used in the 2nd unit. The Canucks PP was predicated on having a certain number of RH shots for a wider range of options.

Is needing a center obvious to this fanbase?
Because judging from many different users, i rarely see that as an opinion. It is the clear fix the team needs.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:31 AM

Years overdue frankly, but with injuries, AV won't be fired...he can blame his faults on the lack of talent..which is ironic since he is a great coach of unskilled players...but a bad coach of the talent we have on the team.


That's been his excuse since day 1. It's getting really old. He's had his opportunity. Injuries happen. Ottowa is winning and they're missing the whole team. They're pretty much playing with their farm team.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:33 AM

Just curious, are you guys hoping Gillis fires AV during this season, or should he wait until after the playoffs?



Ruff guided the Sabres to the playoffs twice in the last five years. This would have been twice in the last six had he not been fired. I'm not suggesting he's a bad coach, but obviously something went south in the Sabres dressing room.

Gillis inherited AV, as in he chose to keep AV back in 2008. Since then, Gillis has extended AV's contract (twice, I believe).

If anyone has a problem with AV's coaching style, then you also have a problem with Gillis, for it is Gillis who is keeping AV here. If AV has to go, then so should Gillis.

There are some who would view this as a good thing, and who knows, they may well get their wish. Perhaps it happening sooner rather than later will be a good thing, so we can all get started on threads about the good old days when Gillis and AV were running the team. :)

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Lindy Ruff hasn't had a hockey team forever. They haven't had any talent there forever.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:34 AM

AV had 3 killer centres and he couldn't make it work.
Henrik, Kesler and Hodgson.
Gillis has given him Ballard, Garrison and Booth and all 3 to this point haven't succeeded.


That is not the point.

Think about present tense.

Malhotra and Kesler.
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I have no opinion about the 3 players you mentioned. They all have not been awful pick ups. Lotsa folks think so for reasons usually imagined.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:35 AM

That's been his excuse since day 1. It's getting really old. He's had his opportunity. Injuries happen. Ottowa is winning and they're missing the whole team. They're pretty much playing with their farm team.


Then go ahead and explain the Red Wings.
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:36 AM

Just curious, are you guys hoping Gillis fires AV during this season, or should he wait until after the playoffs?



Ruff guided the Sabres to the playoffs twice in the last five years. This would have been twice in the last six had he not been fired. I'm not suggesting he's a bad coach, but obviously something went south in the Sabres dressing room.

Gillis inherited AV, as in he chose to keep AV back in 2008. Since then, Gillis has extended AV's contract (twice, I believe).

If anyone has a problem with AV's coaching style, then you also have a problem with Gillis, for it is Gillis who is keeping AV here. If AV has to go, then so should Gillis.

There are some who would view this as a good thing, and who knows, they may well get their wish. Perhaps it happening sooner rather than later will be a good thing, so we can all get started on threads about the good old days when Gillis and AV were running the team. :)

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So any time you fire a coach, whose contract has been extended or signed by the GM, you must also fire the GM?

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Gonna be a lot of turnover in NHL upper management...
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Posted 17 March 2013 - 09:39 AM

Then go ahead and explain the Red Wings.


Lidstrom retired and Stuart left plus all of the injuries on there back end.
They've lost their best 2 defenceman and haven't replaced them with anyone. They were hopping to get Suter or Webber and failed at that.
We lost Salo and replaced him with Garrisson. I'd like to see the Canucks lose the Sedins and see how we do.
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