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#31 Lychees

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 12:32 AM

After SCF. That was our year, we had everything going our way until the SCF when Hammer went down, players got injured, Rome got tossed and the Bruins got fired up.

Let's be honest, Sedins have almost, if not already, plateaued.
Kesler is NOT the 40 goal scorer most Nuck fans thinks he is. It was a career year and he'll never match it again, especially if he keeps getting injured.
We traded a strong depth and offensive center in Cody for an in-the-works, shows potential but seems to lack development in Zack

On the plus, we have at LEAST 4m going this year in the summer whichever goalie we trade. There's always trade, everyone talks about buying out Ballard/Booth/re-signing Roy etc.

Honestly as long as that window is open you never know what could happen, look at LA last year. Without Quick playing out of his mind the Kings wouldn't have made it past us, much less the SCF. Just way too many variables to say a window is closing/opening.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 03:39 AM

As a few others have said, as long as you make the playoffs the window is open.

People forget that the 94 team barely made the playoffs and just about lost the first round. It's all about getting hot at the right time. I don't know what's going to happen this year, or what's going to happen next season.

Look at Detroit. That's 22 straight playoff appearances. You don't necessarily have to go through a boom and bust cycle.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:01 AM

If you make the playoffs the window is open

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The real question OP is would you have posted this thread if we won game one? If the canucks win this series you will mighty stupid. I guess LA window is closed to since they are down 2-0.

Edited by ForsbergTheGreat, 03 May 2013 - 08:02 AM.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:14 PM

IMO the window is closed with this current group of Canuck players. There is a bad aura around this group.

The Canucks have 2 options and both for the betterment of this team and both involve changing the aura:

1. Keep the core players but bring in good, strong character support players. Trade away some of the old players to bring in younger players. This would have the Canucks still be competitive, the retool.

2. Trade the main players and build a new core. This would not be done in a season but in a couple. If the Canucks do this right, they should be in good shape in shorter time than a team rebuilding from scratch like the Oilers.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:21 PM

Window seemed to begin closing after the January 2012 game against Boston. The team was so emotionally invested into that game and came out on top, they probably thought they had exercised their Game 7 demons and couldn't be stopped. Problem was the intensity, teamwork and emotion started to fade afterwards. The powerplay was #1 in the league after that game and didn't have a slow decline, it lept off the cliff and couldn't climb back up. I think the team started to believe their own hype and thought they could coast to a 3rd Presidents trophy and just "turn it on" when it mattered in the playoffs this year.

The LA series that year was a punch in the throat and most didn't see it coming, at least not LA jumping to a 3-0 lead. The San Jose series was a kick in the balls for those that expected the team would turn it around.

Changes will be needed and I expect it to be years before this team is considered a contender again.

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Amazingly on his first shift Kassian would have had a breakaway if Kesler knew how to pass. And he still got switched with Weiss. And note it is "Weiss" not "Wise".


#36 DeNiro

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:32 PM

The window isn't closed. If you look at the pieces we let go you'll realize why we've struggled.

Thinking that you can win without a good third line center and a powerplay QB is wishful thinking.

Big reasons we were good in 2011 and 2012:

Good secondary scoring wingers
Great third line centers
Powerplay QB's that could consistently get pucks on net

We had decent secondary scoring this season but it wasn't enough. We had third line players playing as second line players, and Booth just could not fit into the team. He never filled the hole that Samuelsson left.

We had Malhotra and Hodgson playing great in 2011 and 2012 which is why we were a top team and scored lots. Trading Hodgson at the deadline for Pahlsson killed our depth scoring. And going all this season without a regular third line center never allowed our third line wingers to get in a groove.

Letting Ehrhoff go hurt, but we were still good cause we had Salo, who was a great powerplay QB. Letting him go pretty much ruined our top powerplay because the natural chemistry the Sedins had with him was gone. Garrison has been alright, but he just can't get the puck on net like Salo did. Good thing is Garrison is still a great defensive defenseman. But we need a top PP QB.

All these things can be replaced, and I'm hopeful Gillis can address these needs.

Edited by DeNiro, 08 May 2013 - 06:33 PM.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 06:43 PM

January 7th, 2012 vs the Boston Bruins


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:15 PM

The window closed after we lost Ehrhoff and Torres and replaced them with Marco Sturm.

Pretty much every move MG has made since the SCF has been a downgrade.

Edited by Raph, 08 May 2013 - 07:15 PM.


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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:30 PM

The window closed after we lost Ehrhoff and Torres and replaced them with Marco Sturm.

Pretty much every move MG has made since the SCF has been a downgrade.


Except Garrison.

And I still like to see Booth prove himself with a full season.
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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:36 PM

Except Garrison.

And I still like to see Booth prove himself with a full season.


Yes and no. Garrison brings different strengths and weaknesses compared to Salo or Ehrhoff. If Garrison was brought in to replace Edler and Ballard, then yes it is pretty much an upgrade in every possible way.

I'd say he is a worse fit on this team than Salo or Ehrhoff cuz his elements are similar to that of Hamhuis, Edler, and Ballard.

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Posted 08 May 2013 - 07:42 PM

The window isn't closed. If you look at the pieces we let go you'll realize why we've struggled.

Thinking that you can win without a good third line center and a powerplay QB is wishful thinking.

Big reasons we were good in 2011 and 2012:

Good secondary scoring wingers
Great third line centers
Powerplay QB's that could consistently get pucks on net

We had decent secondary scoring this season but it wasn't enough. We had third line players playing as second line players, and Booth just could not fit into the team. He never filled the hole that Samuelsson left.

We had Malhotra and Hodgson playing great in 2011 and 2012 which is why we were a top team and scored lots. Trading Hodgson at the deadline for Pahlsson killed our depth scoring. And going all this season without a regular third line center never allowed our third line wingers to get in a groove.

Letting Ehrhoff go hurt, but we were still good cause we had Salo, who was a great powerplay QB. Letting him go pretty much ruined our top powerplay because the natural chemistry the Sedins had with him was gone. Garrison has been alright, but he just can't get the puck on net like Salo did. Good thing is Garrison is still a great defensive defenseman. But we need a top PP QB.

All these things can be replaced, and I'm hopeful Gillis can address these needs.


First time I've agreed on a post with you, well said +1

Basically what I've been thinking all year.

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