ronthecivil Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 21 hours ago, Warhippy said: FTFY, as the population ages and finally goes the way of the inevitable attitudes have and will continue to change. Thankfully Don't be too happy. Young people don't always keep the same viewpoint as they age. And the percent of older people is only expected to increase, not decrease. Your finally could be a lot longer off than you think....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 39 minutes ago, ronthecivil said: Don't be too happy. Young people don't always keep the same viewpoint as they age. And the percent of older people is only expected to increase, not decrease. Your finally could be a lot longer off than you think....... Actually no. Probably not judging by the numbers put forward by statscan. Most of the pro "BC Liberal/Conservative crowd" is already over the age of 50 with those numbers being the overwhelming majority of the voters base for that bloc of politics. The irony, is that the complaints about the system, the complaints about how things are and the complaints about the government come from that same demographic, the same demographic that by and large built the system they hate so much yet refuse to change their votes to fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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clam linguine Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Hippy was nicely on track to fit this famous quote....but then went off the rails. Pity really. Conservative by the Time You’re 35 ‘If you’re not a liberal when you’re 25, you have no heart. If you’re not a conservative by the time you’re 35, you have no brain.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 Case in point. Hard to argue the world won't be better off with less people like that around on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 How about this *Liberal* throne speech? *Liberal as in the cut and paste from NDP/Green platform. What a bunch of cowards desperate to cling to power, so willing to dismiss their core beliefs and basically backtrack on everything they spent months campaigning against. I sure hope Weaver and Horgan don't fall for this bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronthecivil Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 2 hours ago, inane said: How about this *Liberal* throne speech? *Liberal as in the cut and paste from NDP/Green platform. What a bunch of cowards desperate to cling to power, so willing to dismiss their core beliefs and basically backtrack on everything they spent months campaigning against. I sure hope Weaver and Horgan don't fall for this bs. Nice spin! Or you can look at as "What a bunch of people flexible to change, willing to listen to the electorate. They are will to update their platform to keep ideologues like the NDP, who want to do things such as remove the secret ballot from union votes, to allow the large union sector to bully and beat those that don't hold their views into voting for them, and instead embrace democracy, by listening to the electorate! They are willing to adjust their platform for the good of all, and the will of the people". Wasn't too long ago that the province (run by the liberals) was on a spree of building wind farms and run of river power projects. And they brought the carbon tax in to legislation in the first place! So in other words, it's not like they can't court the greens and make them regret siding with the hard core socialists and their entitled backers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 They had a chance to stop the privitization of Health Care and the contract flipping in residential care as well as addressing a minimum wage wayyyyy below the poverty level. Christy chose to continue to decimate the working poor and keep the havoc we see in residential care. The BC Liberals could have shown that every working BC person matters, and they blew it .... good riddance. The BC Liberals are NOT making sure every working person is benefiting. Ending poverty begins with ensuring that working lifts you out of poverty , and not keep you there. More of the same toxic propaganda from the right wing . The BC Liberals had a chance - had an opening to change. They moved a bit but did ZERO to help working class families struggling with debt today - right now - due to low wages and a low minimum wage. Christy remains the biggest bully and when given the chance to change it - the BC liberals and their supporters passed on the opportunity. This is important as even if she steps down - the entire party wears it now, not just her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 28 minutes ago, ronthecivil said: Nice spin! Or you can look at as "What a bunch of people flexible to change, willing to listen to the electorate. They are will to update their platform to keep ideologues like the NDP, who want to do things such as remove the secret ballot from union votes, to allow the large union sector to bully and beat those that don't hold their views into voting for them, and instead embrace democracy, by listening to the electorate! They are willing to adjust their platform for the good of all, and the will of the people". Wasn't too long ago that the province (run by the liberals) was on a spree of building wind farms and run of river power projects. And they brought the carbon tax in to legislation in the first place! So in other words, it's not like they can't court the greens and make them regret siding with the hard core socialists and their entitled backers. Ron, They governed for 16 years and most recently campaigned in this election on the opposite of what they presented today. For them to have such an about face on many significant policies that they've stood by for over a decade...you call that flexibility? How can you possibly believe anything they say if they are so willing to throw away their core beliefs so easily? I remind you, it's Clark who said just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapper Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 28 minutes ago, ronthecivil said: Nice spin! Or you can look at as "What a bunch of people flexible to change, willing to listen to the electorate. They are will to update their platform to keep ideologues like the NDP, who want to do things such as remove the secret ballot from union votes, to allow the large union sector to bully and beat those that don't hold their views into voting for them, and instead embrace democracy, by listening to the electorate! They are willing to adjust their platform for the good of all, and the will of the people". Wasn't too long ago that the province (run by the liberals) was on a spree of building wind farms and run of river power projects. And they brought the carbon tax in to legislation in the first place! So in other words, it's not like they can't court the greens and make them regret siding with the hard core socialists and their entitled backers. The NDP are not hard core socialists - any more that the BC Liberals are alt right or fascists. It's ok to dislike them but the McCarthyism needs to stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 13 hours ago, inane said: How about this *Liberal* throne speech? *Liberal as in the cut and paste from NDP/Green platform. What a bunch of cowards desperate to cling to power, so willing to dismiss their core beliefs and basically backtrack on everything they spent months campaigning against. I sure hope Weaver and Horgan don't fall for this bs. Her government will fall next week according to the opposition so now it will either be a ndp/green coalition government or BC'ers will be voting in another election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Ryan Strome said: Her government will fall next week according to the opposition so now it will either be a ndp/green coalition government or BC'ers will be voting in another election. yeah I know, just funny how quickly she is willing to throw away what she believes in just to cling to power. Pretty quiet in here from liberal fans lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 On 6/22/2017 at 6:09 PM, iwtl said: They had a chance to stop the privitization of Health Care and the contract flipping in residential care as well as addressing a minimum wage wayyyyy below the poverty level. Christy chose to continue to decimate the working poor and keep the havoc we see in residential care. The BC Liberals could have shown that every working BC person matters, and they blew it .... good riddance. The BC Liberals are NOT making sure every working person is benefiting. Ending poverty begins with ensuring that working lifts you out of poverty , and not keep you there. More of the same toxic propaganda from the right wing . The BC Liberals had a chance - had an opening to change. They moved a bit but did ZERO to help working class families struggling with debt today - right now - due to low wages and a low minimum wage. Christy remains the biggest bully and when given the chance to change it - the BC liberals and their supporters passed on the opportunity. This is important as even if she steps down - the entire party wears it now, not just her. There isn't enough money in the budget for the NDP to make any significant changes to the residential care system. If it wasn't for for-profit care options we'd have a total disaster on our hands vs. a really bad situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 On 6/22/2017 at 3:00 PM, inane said: How about this *Liberal* throne speech? *Liberal as in the cut and paste from NDP/Green platform. What a bunch of cowards desperate to cling to power, so willing to dismiss their core beliefs and basically backtrack on everything they spent months campaigning against. I sure hope Weaver and Horgan don't fall for this bs. Respectfully you're missing the point of the throne speech and the other Liberal announcements over the last couple of weeks. It has nothing to do with retaining power, thats not possible. It has to do with setting up the next election and with discussions in the legislature between now and then. She's just trying to set them up as best she can before it all goes down next week, its not worth any angst whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 On 6/22/2017 at 6:19 PM, iwtl said: The NDP are not hard core socialists - any more that the BC Liberals are alt right or fascists. It's ok to dislike them but the McCarthyism needs to stop. hmmmm... sometimes they are. The whole idea of eliminating secret ballots for forming unions is pretty socialist. Even the Greens can't stomach that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 On 6/22/2017 at 5:42 PM, ronthecivil said: Nice spin! Or you can look at as "What a bunch of people flexible to change, willing to listen to the electorate. They are will to update their platform to keep ideologues like the NDP, who want to do things such as remove the secret ballot from union votes, to allow the large union sector to bully and beat those that don't hold their views into voting for them, and instead embrace democracy, by listening to the electorate! They are willing to adjust their platform for the good of all, and the will of the people". Wasn't too long ago that the province (run by the liberals) was on a spree of building wind farms and run of river power projects. And they brought the carbon tax in to legislation in the first place! So in other words, it's not like they can't court the greens and make them regret siding with the hard core socialists and their entitled backers. Green sympathy is neither left nor right. I think it tends to appeal to left thinking people but not necessarily. There is a lot of money to be made in green tech and that is populated by entrepreneurs. There is also a lot of social good that can be done at the same time. Having said that, the NDP has always been on the side of the working man and historically has served a very good purpose. The roots are in the dirty 30's. They have allied themselves with the environmental movement but big labour is often not in agreement. Dirty industry from big business means union jobs. It all gets pretty complicated since working people are often not urban and the left clearly has more appeal in urban areas and the right is stronger in rural areas where small business and personal independence can be dominant. So when they take away the secret ballot for union voting, they are taking a giant step backwards in a free society. Sometimes the left goes so far left that they become the extreme right. But this is only theoretical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 On 2017-06-22 at 6:19 PM, iwtl said: The NDP are not hard core socialists - any more that the BC Liberals are alt right or fascists. It's ok to dislike them but the McCarthyism needs to stop. The NDP were formerly the CCF and they WERE hard core Socialists. Over the years the NDP have soften their positions and like to be called Social Democrats. But they are still Socialists no matter what they pretend to be. Just look at the class warfare propaganda they use in their advertising. They attack the rich and say they are for the working class. They are pro-Union and anti-business and preach Social Justice. That is classic Socialist ideology. As for the BC Liberals, what a joke. Bunch of power hungry Hypocrites with no conviction. They ran against everything the NDP campaigned for and now practically adopt all of the NDP's program. Fine bunch of Conservatives they are; they are more like the Trudeau Liberals than anything with their big spending promises from their throne speech. Why vote for the phony BC Liberals when you can get the real thing with the NDP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 On 6/21/2017 at 0:35 PM, Warhippy said: Actually no. Probably not judging by the numbers put forward by statscan. Most of the pro "BC Liberal/Conservative crowd" is already over the age of 50 with those numbers being the overwhelming majority of the voters base for that bloc of politics. The irony, is that the complaints about the system, the complaints about how things are and the complaints about the government come from that same demographic, the same demographic that by and large built the system they hate so much yet refuse to change their votes to fix Bottom line, if people like Horgan would demonstrate that they had the foggiest notion on how to run an economy and not chase business and jobs out of the province, they might have a chance. Older people are more concerned about jobs and the economy. They understand that a persons fate is more determined by their own actions than handouts from the state. In fact, a man who has worked hard and has been successful over years of work doesn't want to pay for some entitled little sh!t who thinks the world owes him a living. There are clearly exceptions to this generality. I don't disagree that the people that made the system are now at a point in their lives where they won't tolerate change. fwiw, I'm middle of the road politically even though this post makes it look otherwise. Fiscally conservative, socially liberal. (small c, small l) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 26, 2017 Author Share Posted June 26, 2017 11 hours ago, DonLever said: The NDP were formerly the CCF and they WERE hard core Socialists. Over the years the NDP have soften their positions and like to be called Social Democrats. But they are still Socialists no matter what they pretend to be. The irony over opposition to Site C today is that is exactly the kind of thing Tommy Douglas envisioned when he promoted the idea of big crown corporations being a cash cow for socialist governments. Sask Power was probably his biggest achievement along these lines. But thats also why the NDP really isn't against site c, its the kind of government owned revenue stream that they love at their core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 12 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: Respectfully you're missing the point of the throne speech and the other Liberal announcements over the last couple of weeks. It has nothing to do with retaining power, thats not possible. It has to do with setting up the next election and with discussions in the legislature between now and then. She's just trying to set them up as best she can before it all goes down next week, its not worth any angst whatsoever. Sure, either way, it's petty pandering and comically spineless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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