48MPHSlapShot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, aGENT said: Oh for sure the OJ + Virt + 10th, +, + nonsense is a non-starter. He's not THAT good. He'd be a solid, 2nd pair piece with good size, offense and puck moving for the right deal. It begs the question, who would we pair with him if we did pull the trigger? Tanev seems like a good solution, but they're both right handed shots. Edler (assuming he resigns) and Risto would be a horror show, and I damn sure don't want to put Hughes with him in his rookie season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, Alflives said: I wonder if Edler would be a really good partner for Risto? Yes I think so because then Edler can simplify his game and not be asked to do everything including doing a drop pass on every rush. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kobayashi Maru Posted June 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 19, 2019 I want Benning to trade for Risto, trade for Puljujarvi, sign Edler and draft Broberg by Friday so that he can focus his attention fully on Panarin. 1 1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 8 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: It begs the question, who would we pair with him if we did pull the trigger? Tanev seems like a good solution, but they're both right handed shots. Edler (assuming he resigns) and Risto would be a horror show, and I damn sure don't want to put Hughes with him in his rookie season. Not sure why he and Edler would be a 'horror show' but I'd likely prefer to put Risto in a less demanding 2nd pair, offensive role either way. Ozone starts, PP time...and that would likely land him with Hughes in a similar situation. Sign Stralman (or similar) to replace Tanev in the harder minute match up role, let Hughes/Risto enjoy cushy usage on a pair and let Hutton and Stecher play clean up. Then when Juolevi's ready around December, move Hutton to a team with D injuries. Edler, Stralman (match up) Hughes, Risto (offense) Hutton - Juolevi, Stecher (mop up) Year following, add Tryamkin in to the mix. Along with injury call ups for Woo/Rathbone. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Not sure why he and Edler would be a 'horror show' but I'd likely prefer to put Risto in a less demanding 2nd pair, offensive role either way. Ozone starts, PP time...and that would likely land him with Hughes in a similar situation. Sign Stralman (or similar) to replace Tanev in the harder minute match up role, let Hughes/Risto enjoy cushy usage on a pair and let Hutton and Stecher play clean up. Then when Juolevi's ready around December, move Hutton to a team with D injuries. Edler, Stralman (match up) Hughes, Risto (offense) Hutton - Juolevi, Stecher (mop up) Year following, add Tryamkin in to the mix. Along with injury call ups for Woo/Rathbone. Edler seems to flourish when he's paired with someone that can cover for him, like Tanev. He hasn't exactly been the ideal defensive specialist either, so putting him with someone like Risto scares the hell out of me. I would still worry about Hughes and Risto being burned, and I wouldn't want to see Hughes making a habit of trying to cover Risto's errors. Both guys need to be put into situations where they can play to their strengths imo, and that would mean pairing them with players that will allow them to play their game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, 48MPHSlapShot said: Edler seems to flourish when he's paired with someone that can cover for him, like Tanev. He hasn't exactly been the ideal defensive specialist either, so putting him with someone like Risto scares the hell out of me. I would still worry about Hughes and Risto being burned, and I wouldn't want to see Hughes making a habit of trying to cover Risto's errors. Both guys need to be put into situations where they can play to their strengths imo, and that would mean pairing them with players that will allow them to play their game. That's such an oversimplified load of.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: Edler seems to flourish when he's paired with someone that can cover for him, like Tanev. He hasn't exactly been the ideal defensive specialist either, so putting him with someone like Risto scares the hell out of me. I would still worry about Hughes and Risto being burned, and I wouldn't want to see Hughes making a habit of trying to cover Risto's errors. Both guys need to be put into situations where they can play to their strengths imo, and that would mean pairing them with players that will allow them to play their game. Please... Tanev is rarely healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, aGENT said: That's such an oversimplified load of.... That was 8 years ago, and a much better team. How's his defensive game been since then? Also, if you're going to be rude, peace out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, DarthMelvin said: Please... Tanev is rarely healthy. And Edler is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthMelvin Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: And Edler is? What does this mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, DarthMelvin said: What does this mean? Holds about the same relevance as your Tanev comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, aGENT said: That's such an oversimplified load of.... All of these are just speculations from a fans perspective but I am guessing, the point being put forward by 48MPH, is that the cost to acquire a good offensive d man like Risto is too much; if he was not so one dimensional then the asking price would probably be fair... Great discussion ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 1 minute ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: That was 8 years ago, and a much better team. How's his defensive game been since then? Also, if you're going to be rude, peace out. Edler has played well with everyone from Salo, to Ehrhoff, to Tanev, to Stecher to Gudbranson. He certainly has his flaws but he's a solid 2way D. Sorry if you found my post 'rude' but the concept that he, of all our D, needs 'babysitting' is beyond laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, ShawnAntoski said: All of these are just speculations from a fans perspective but I am guessing, the point being put forward by 48MPH, is that the cost to acquire a good offensive d man like Risto is too much; if he was not so one dimensional then the asking price would probably be fair... Great discussion ! This. He'd make a nice addition, but he's being overvalued here, and I would worry about who we'd pair him with. The Edler/Hoff pairing was a long time ago, with a much better team. Hell, it was a different league 8 years ago. It's not really relevant to the current discussion imho. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: All of these are just speculations from a fans perspective but I am guessing, the point being put forward by 48MPH, is that the cost to acquire a good offensive d man like Risto is too much; if he was not so one dimensional then the asking price would probably be fair... Great discussion ! Pretty sure we already covered that. 39 minutes ago, aGENT said: Oh for sure the OJ + Virt + 10th, +, + nonsense is a non-starter. He's not THAT good. He'd be a solid, 2nd pair piece with good size, offense and puck moving for the right deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Just now, aGENT said: Edler has played well with everyone from Salo, to Ehrhoff, to Tanev, to Stecher to Gudbranson. He certainly has his flaws but he's a solid 2way D. Sorry if you found my post 'rude' but the concept that he, of all our D, needs 'babysitting' is beyond laughable. I'm not necessarily saying that Edler needs babysitting. What I am saying is that I don't think he's a babysitter either, and I really do think that's what Risto needs if he ever wants to improve that plus/minus. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) We will just have to wait and see but I really hope this is just an offseason rumour... The only winner coming out of any trade for Risto will be the Sabres; in his 5yrs with Sabres, the team has no real team accomplishments to speak off except perhaps winning the lottery a few times... Edited June 19, 2019 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I'm not necessarily saying that Edler needs babysitting. What I am saying is that I don't think he's a babysitter either, and I really do think that's what Risto needs if he ever wants to improve that plus/minus. +/- is so tied to the team game and not always the individual. I think we are over-reacting him needing outright sheltering. Ideally we would keep Joulevi and pair them together but Risto and Edler and maybe Risto and Tryamkin would likely be just fine. Hughes Risto if we are down a few. We need several D that can drive the play or our forwards are have no chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, 48MPHSlapShot said: I'm not necessarily saying that Edler needs babysitting. What I am saying is that I don't think he's a babysitter either, and I really do think that's what Risto needs if he ever wants to improve that plus/minus. Nonsense. He's probably about 90% as good of a 'babysitter' as Tanev and far less one dimensional. And I don't think Risto particularly needs a 'babysitter' either. What he does need is to not be put in the 'babysitter'/big and hard minute/matchup role. Put him in an easier usage/Ozone/PP role and he would flourish IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, aGENT said: Edler has played well with everyone from Salo, to Ehrhoff, to Tanev, to Stecher to Gudbranson. He certainly has his flaws but he's a solid 2way D. Sorry if you found my post 'rude' but the concept that he, of all our D, needs 'babysitting' is beyond laughable. I'm not trying to slight Edler, but I don't know how effective he can be if he's constantly having to cover for Risto. Also, I imagine that being put in that position would take it's toll on him physically as well, resulting in even more injuries. If we were to make a move on Risto, I'd like to see us make a move on a LD as well. Someone that doesn't necessarily have the best offensive numbers, but someone with a good defensive game and strong underlying numbers. Basically a less injury prone Tanev with a left handed shot, if that player exists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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