Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) To NJ Eriksson 6.00 mill Baertschi 3.367 mill Stecher 2.325 mill Benn 2.000 mill Leivo 1.500 mill Total 15.192 mill To Van Pk Subban 9.00mill Wayne Simmonds 5.00 mill Total 14.00 mill Why Van does this, Baertschi and Eriksson pretty much same cost as PK can still play in the NHL well Baertschi isn't even playing for the Canucks , Simmonds better then Leivo right now IMO, Simmonds has some playoff experience and just seems like a Benning player, Canucks probably will not be able to re-sign Leivo if he wants a substantial raise. Pearson Horvat Simmonds looks like a good Playoff line to me and if Simmonds does well in Vancouver then we might be abale to sign him for less than his 5mill cap hit as he is a UFA next season. Otherwise he walks and the Canucks gain the cap space by removing Benn and Baertschi off the books. Van Trades Stecher NOW cause if they plan on signing Markstrom they wont be able to sign both Tanev and Stecher and Stecher doesn't seem to be a Travis Green Player. Furthermore, Tanev could be signed for a 3-4 year deal at 5 mill from his current 4.45 mill that's only a 0.550mill raise. Well Stecher could ask for somewhere between 3.5-4.0 mill from his 2.325mill. Why give up Benn, again he doesn't seem to be A Green player. Why NJ does this, They're not making the playoffs so they should trade Simmonds for assets but at his current rate of scoring he's probably not getting them a high draft pick but Leivo is a younger version of Simmonds. They take Stecher Cause he adds another #4 dman or at least a solid #5 dman to their already young core of Dmen. They Take Benn Cause their stud Defensive defenseman Andy Greene is going to be 38 next season and a UFA. Benn comes with 1 more year at 2mill if he works out there they can re-sign him and if not let him walk or trade him at the next trade deadline. They take Baertschi, because he might still be able to play in the NHL and has 1 year left at his 3.367mill cap hit if he can't they can bury him and save 1.075mill of his cap hit. After next season they're only paying Eriksson 6 mill instead of PK's 9 mill cap hit. They take Eriksson to compensate for Pk's 9mil cap hit. So why take Pk Subban 9mill NJ Is 27th in GF well Van is 9th in GF this alone will give PK more opportunities offensively Edler Subban Hughes Tanev Fanteberg Myers This line up of Dmen give the Canucks an offensive threat on each pairing, Furthermore, Edler should be able to help Subban with the defensive part of the game well giving this pair an offensive threat on both sides. If this experiment fails then when the Seattle expansion draft comes along The Canucks can expose either or both of Myers and Subban. Edited January 15, 2020 by Arrow 1983 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 This is a cap net gain for next season In Subban 9.00 mill Out Baertschi 3.367 Benn 2.000 Eriksson 6.000 Total 11.367 Net gain 11.367-9.00=2.367mill not including Leivo UFA Stecher RFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post naslund.is.king Posted January 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 players and 30 million in cap is realistic? 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, naslund.is.king said: 7 players and 30 million in cap is realistic? yes when 18mill in just 3 players and 1 guy has a 9 mill and another guy has 6 mill cap hit and Simmonds has 5 mill cap hit Edited January 15, 2020 by Arrow 1983 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-23 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said: This is a cap net gain for next season In Subban 9.00 mill Out Baertschi 3.367 Benn 2.000 Eriksson 6.000 Total 11.367 Net gain 11.367-9.00=2.367mill not including Leivo UFA Stecher RFA Subban has been awful this season. I want no parts. Edited January 15, 2020 by J-23 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 The simple break down is, PK for Eriksson and Baer to equal cap hit. Stecher as the throw in but he is worth to much so we throw in Leivo and Benn to get Simmonds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, J-23 said: Subban has been awful this season. I want no parts. So awful even to get rid of Eriksson and Baer contract. I think Subban can still play well Eriksson and Baer not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Are we talking about realistic? You'll have to speak up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noble 6 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 It looks like you just balanced numbers and the trade was secondary. Unless you want Subban to take Hughes' spot on the first powerplay unit here he isn't going to do much besides bleed chances against. We already have Myers for that on the right side. People seem to already have forgotten how incredibly horrible our defense was for the last 4-ish years. Our current defense core is much better than anything else we've had under Benning and this deal would be a step backwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I would imagine Jersey will prefer to see if Subban bounces back next season rather than take on 2 cap dumps, two bottom pairing D, and a bottom 6 forward. Simmonds is UFA when the season is up. So they’re only on the hook for Subban’s $9m going forward rather than $15m for a selection of bottom of the lineup players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: It looks like you just balanced numbers and the trade was secondary. Unless you want Subban to take Hughes' spot on the first powerplay unit here he isn't going to do much besides bleed chances against. We already have Myers for that on the right side. People seem to already have forgotten how incredibly horrible our defense was for the last 4-ish years. Our current defense core is much better than anything else we've had under Benning and this deal would be a step backwards. 44 minutes ago, qwijibo said: I would imagine Jersey will prefer to see if Subban bounces back next season rather than take on 2 cap dumps, two bottom pairing D, and a bottom 6 forward. Simmonds is UFA when the season is up. So they’re only on the hook for Subban’s $9m going forward rather than $15m for a selection of bottom of the lineup players Both of you are coming from the same place, proposing a trade is about where one believes players and teams are at. NJ I believe is at a mid way point in their rebuild, well the Canucks are competing for a playoff spot and even possibly looking to win a round. NJ is probably 1-2years away from where the Canucks are. The Canucks need players that can play at the NHL level well NJ needs assets. The Canucks need cap space for next season and the season after, well NJ can take on cap space. This trade works for both of them. We remove Eriksson and Baer from the books, two guys IMO can no longer play on a team of the Canucks standing. Well gaining a player Subban who can still play in the league and can have a bounce back year. If Subban has a bounce back year how does that help NJ other to trade him. NJ in this deal will get to clear cap when they need it the most Benn and Baer in 1 year and gain 2 assets Stecher and Leivo. I agree these two players may not be long term solutions for NJ but can be traded for assets down the road well giving them 2 guys that can play now and develop into better assets. Baer may not be able to play for the Canucks at this point because of the quality of the Canuck wingers but he may be able to find a spot on NJ next season and become a 3rd asset for them. Edited January 15, 2020 by Arrow 1983 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: It looks like you just balanced numbers and the trade was secondary. Unless you want Subban to take Hughes' spot on the first powerplay unit here he isn't going to do much besides bleed chances against. We already have Myers for that on the right side. People seem to already have forgotten how incredibly horrible our defense was for the last 4-ish years. Our current defense core is much better than anything else we've had under Benning and this deal would be a step backwards. And yes I am trying to balance numbers other wise there is no point in proposing a trade otherwise someone will say it doesn't fit under the cap. I can not just say lets trade Eriksson for Subban it does not work for the Canucks. It is all about finding a trading partner where the numbers and players work for both teams. Does any one win this deal out right NO. Edited January 15, 2020 by Arrow 1983 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 Does any one win this deal out right NO. Can both teams benefit yes. Can Someone come out of this better then the other side absolutely. Canucks benefit with extra cap space next season. NJ Benefits by acquiring assets. Subban has a major Bounce back year and Canucks win this trade. Subban has mediocre 3 years and NJ turn either or all of Baer, Stecher, Benn, Leivo in to draft picks and other players and they win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 9 million for 2 more years after this, why would our new rival ,seattle take pk .in the expansion draft for to do us a favour , cant see any of that happening , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, the grinder said: 9 million for 2 more years after this, why would our new rival ,seattle take pk .in the expansion draft for to do us a favour , cant see any of that happening , Go to capfriendly and use their expansion draft tool. Current players the Canucks will be exposing are not a pretty site. Beagle anyone. One of Myers or if we make this trade Subban. or Both if the Canucks wish to expose them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 minutes ago, the grinder said: 9 million for 2 more years after this, why would our new rival ,seattle take pk .in the expansion draft for to do us a favour , cant see any of that happening , Lets say the Canucks protect Miller Boeser Petterson Virtanen Guad Horvat Roussel Forwards remaining Ferland Beagle Sutter is UFA Pearson UFA Baer UFA Dmen Hughes exempt Edler UFA Benn Ufa Tanev if we re-sign longer than 1 year Juolevi Rafferty Myers my guess Canucks protect Tanev if re-signed Juolevi and Rafferty. Unless Myers proves worthy of keeping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Arrow 1983 said: Both of you are coming from the same place, proposing a trade is about where one believes players and teams are at. NJ I believe is at a mid way point in their rebuild, well the Canucks are competing for a playoff spot and even possibly looking to win a round. NJ is probably 1-2years away from where the Canucks are. The Canucks need players that can play at the NHL level well NJ needs assets. The Canucks need cap space for next season and the season after, well NJ can take on cap space. This trade works for both of them. We remove Eriksson and Baer from the books, two guys IMO can no longer play on a team of the Canucks standing. Well gaining a player Subban who can still play in the league and can have a bounce back year. If Subban has a bounce back year how does that help NJ other to trade him. NJ in this deal will get to clear cap when they need it the most Benn and Baer in 1 year and gain 2 assets Stecher and Leivo. I agree these two players may not be long term solutions for NJ but can be traded for assets down the road well giving them 2 guys that can play now and develop into better assets. Baer may not be able to play for the Canucks at this point because of the quality of the Canuck wingers but he may be able to find a spot on NJ next season and become a 3rd asset for them. Thing is. You’re proposing that they take worthless “assets” and pay through the nose for them. They’re better off seeing if Subban bounces back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 (edited) I normally don't dump on proposals, but this one is pretty far beyond the pale, especially tagged as "realistic". Random, terrible... and entirely unrealistic. I don't think this even flies in a video game on cheat mode. New Jersey wants to take on all our dead money and cast offs for the privilege of being kind and generous... Ludicrous. Edited January 15, 2020 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 Just now, qwijibo said: Thing is. You’re proposing that they take worthless “assets” and pay through the nose for them. They’re better off seeing if Subban bounces back. How are they paying through the nose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arrow 1983 Posted January 15, 2020 Author Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 minutes ago, qwijibo said: Thing is. You’re proposing that they take worthless “assets” and pay through the nose for them. They’re better off seeing if Subban bounces back. Check NJ depth chart Baer Leivo and Eriksson could easily play on NJ 3rd line that is how bad their forward depth is. Stecher and Benn is far better upgrade to their 4th and 5th dman spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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