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The media sometimes "makes" news as well, Gillis and Torts were run out of town by the media influencing the mob. Torts does one thing to express his intense fury at a player being hurt, for those that don't know Alberts career was finished so go on and cheer about how Torts was such a A-hole being that upset about it, cheer that Alberts was finished. The other thing was he told the truth "the core is stale". Gillis is fried because they trade Luongo after not playing him in the outdoor show, sure a low blow but maybe Luongo didn't want to go to Florida until that happened, the guy must have been upset after the draft stuff but that sure urged him on and should have started the rebuild right there. For 3 years the media and influencers played the Linden card and were easy on this group, even two more years and only some media point out the 8 first round picks over the last 6 years and how only 4 are on the team, really bad numbers considering the pick number, Boston has more regular contributors from mid rounds than the Canucks in the top 6. And the media has been used for decades to influence players or sound out trades. Fans used to be the backbone of the league and fan attitudes dictated team goals. So for the last 8 years, 8 years of this teams last 2 playoff victories conveniently forgotten and now in what can only be considered year 2 of a rebuild that looks to take another 3 years to see if it needs re-doing for a total of 10 years with only two playoff victories. "But the boys are so cute and cuddly and trying hard" sure they deserve another 6 or 7 million "because they tried hard" In loss 48 of the season, "they almost won" again. One thing, i agree about Edler but it is a sorry team that has him as the best. He could be used but not at multi years. On another team where he can be the 3 or 4 guy he can extend his career and effectiveness with fewer minutes. The Canucks are just not a fit for him, unless they bring Tryamkin back and sign Trouba or Myers, then he goes to mentor and maybe even 4 or 5 dman, if they paid Gudbranson 4.5 mil they could stomach the same for Edler.

How many cups have the Canucks won? It is not just the group as a team, the content of the team matters. Lines work because to three players "fitting" together using each others strengths and covering up weaknesses. That is called "chemistry". But Chemistry alone doesn't not win championships, a bunch of really nice guys that get along together aren't necessarily the best and when there are other groups that think the same way then it is a league and if they play each other then some will rise to the top. So why? That is when comparisons happen, in most strength categories the larger being is overall the strongest, not necessarily pound to pound but overall. Most of the championship finalists teams have been over the league average is size, the last 25 years or so. So size along is one criteria now acknowledged by Benning which is strange considering it was his handiwork that made the team so small. A really big team can get away with being a 1 1/2 line scoring team, like St Louis is, Boston, the smaller team has had 2 and sometime 3 lines working well and they are not small by league average but alot smaller than StLouis

Trolls could be those that create conflicting opinions just to make arguments. Some are labeled trolls but are not, they just have a position and argument that is consistent and in many cases facts that can support their position. Influencers ARE a reality, two elections were manipulated by influencers and the plans are now known of how to do so and the threshold needed to sway opinions. Influencers might put out false news like how good the team is losing, promoting how good a team item is while the rest of the league isn't in agreement. In this forum, owned by the NHL and the Canucks, monitored by Canucks staff why would they not want to "manage" the message, lots of supporters with no opposing thoughts? They own it after all. Hmmm, racist comment? And the term is common english. All in all it was a strange interview, he essentially said nothing, the Eriksson thing was well known and wasn't that the second time he said he would look into it? Boeser, Edler and all the rest was just the same.

The team would have to try to match finalists over the last few years player to player; line by line #1 lines Boston = Marchand - Bergeron - Pasternak - Canucks may be able to equal on good days StLouis = Taresenko - O'Rielly - Perron - Canucks should be able to equal Canucks - Boeser - Horvat - Pettersson in another year or two. The rest don't match up Defence St Louis Pietrangelo - 6'3" - 220 - 29yrs Parayko - 6'6" - 230 -25yrs Edmundson - 6'4" - 215 - 25yrs Bouwmeester - 6'4" - 206 - 35yrs Bortuzzo - 6'4" - 216 - 29yrs Gunnarsson - 6'2" - 198 - 32yrs Butler - 6'1" - 196 - 32yrs Schmaltz - 6'2" - 190 - 25yrs DelZotto - 6'0" - 202 - 28yrs Dunn - 6'0" - 202 - 22yrs old Boston Moore - 6'2" - 210 - 28yrs McAvoy - 6'0" - 228 - 21yrs Miller - 6'2" - 210 - 31yrs Krug - 5'9" - 186 - 27yrs Kamfer - 5'11" - 198 - 25yrs Grzelcyk - 5'9" - 174 - 25yrs Clifton - 5'11" - 175 - 23yrs Carlo - 6'5" - 212 - 22yrs Chara - 6'9" - 250 - 42yrs Even between the two finalist's defenses there are very interesting similarities and vast differences. One, size seems to matter for effectiveness and length of time playing from start to end of career. Two, in the playoffs Boston has more injured, small defencemen than StLouis Three, younger players are playing impact roles. Four, clearly StLouis defence is handling Boston's forwards no scoring.

Trade Eriksson and Sutter and retain 1/2 salary for Lucic and Puljujarvi. Buy out Tryamkin KHL contract. Sign Meyers,

NHL - the best of the best - Bigger - Stronger - Faster. The big teams win. The big teams with one scoring line win more. The big teams with one scoring line and lots of scoring from defence win even more. Tampa is the example of a small fast, highly skilled team. Great in the regular season but yet to win a round in the playoffs, bounced by bigger teams. Cancuks are another, cute, small, fast, look good but just don't win but some fans want to snuggle up to them and keep them safe.

Eriksson, Lucic, Neal, Horcoff, Clarkson, just a few of the other side, the bad deals. These type of results mean the long rebuild again. You know i figured it out about being a REAL GM in the league, it isn't doing the day to day hands on operations, that is relatively simple as there are so many speciaists to do the jobs, lawyers for contracts, accounts for balancing the books, assistant GM for meetings, scouts for scouting, a scouting department for drafting, a marketing department to sell tickets, coaches to run the team and fire when it comes time to CYA, HR department to stop the dudes from calling the gals "babes", a media department to screen questions all it really seems to be is being in "the old boys club". If they don't like you then trading becomes hard and they create stupid rules (Luongo) to penalize after the fact. Anyway let Boeser sit out until December or all year if he wants, there should be no playoffs next year yet because the team still needs so many high end players.

Trade him to Minnesota for 2 1rst round picks Less than Nylander and more than Horvat.

Quite simply he is a better center than winger and he wasn't the type of center the Oilers needed a 4th line grinder type that plays only a few minutes a game. He is a top two line type center, third line if the team plays a three line offensive game where the 4th line only gets 5 or 6 min a game. His play in the AHL had him almost a point per game in the AHL his first 20 games or so which is really good for an 18 year old but he was playing top line roles then they wanted to make him into a checking center which he just hadn't done much of before as being a star player in his age group world wide. Square peg round hole = confusion and loss of confidence, he ends up playing like the kids on the Canucks, looking to the bench worrying about making mistakes and being benched rather than just playing and being coached after to correct his mistakes. The Canucks need to get younger high end players, he is worth a chance after all Benning has traded how many 2nd round picks for failures? At least he has the highest potential of all the players he wasted picks on already.

2003. Found this about that year and it may be pertinent in 3 weeks. If you were a NHL general manager in ’03, you could probably close your eyes, toss a rock in any direction and hit a stud square in the gullet. Unless you have the worst luck ever or took the Maple Leafs’ ’65 Draft approach. They trade away all their draft picks that year.

With all the pressure to not lose 50 games again next year and Benning being on his last year of his contract and the millions now paid for successful GM's and the draft held in Vancouver and that the CBA may cancel the 2021 season in September after the draft and Free Agency day July 1. And the Seattle expansion. With all that happening the value of the 2020 draft must be considered and planned for. Many teams will be (tanking) positioning for higher picks in that year one quick dip into that deep pool and revamped, two to four years (2 1rst - 2 2nds) of rebuilding in one Will Benning trade away 2020 picks for help now, sell out the future, a future he may not see for temporary immediate success, make the playoffs. To help improve his resume for future million dollar contracts? Possibly even Seattle. Having two or three 2020 1rst round picks or even second rounders in the 40's may alter a franchise for years speeding up rebuilds or retools. Already there are 4 or 5 players listed as "can't miss" future super stars and at least one better than Crosby. What do you think Benning should do? What is right for the team and trade for next year's picks? This would solidify the future core for 10 years as all the kids will be within 3 years of age except Horvat. Trade next years picks for players? Many teams are looking to off load contracts so some player may be cheap, a 2020 2nd round or something like that, Zaitsev for a 2020 2nd? Trade FOR next year's picks? Even 2nd/3rd rounders may be like late first rounders and if there is no hockey in 2021 then the next draft will be like the Crosby draft and use the last years standings but all the kids will get that year to bulk up and practice pro hockey. Same all as the last years? Nothing? Benning has been silent in the draft since coming here, i don't think he can do that this year, i think he will want his name remembered for getting the first overall, that undersized guy, Hughes, maybe a Boeser and Horvat for Hughes deal, then he has brothers ala Sedins and the team's first ever #1 drafted player Will he make a splash, sit on his hands and say "they only wanted our good players" Next years draft a #45 might be the same as a #10 this year. Pretty sure this is not a trade forum subject, nor is it a GM/Proposal subject, it is a Canuck disscussion much along the lines of jersey colors, orr vs Boeser, today in history

Fan acceptance of 4 years of losing 50+ games a year with only two young star players added in 6 drafts by Benning. Fans that encourage and cheer failure. That know good from bad but cheer on year after year of mistakes, mistakes that put the team deeper into a second rebuild. Fans that are like some in southern American franchises, naive. That don't bother to remember yesterday, they only live in the now without using their own reasoning to see a possible future or simply ignore the obvious. Bandwagon fans, the team gets close to a playoff spot and all in the world is going good, but ignore the other 4 or 5 teams that went down and back again while the Canucks idled away in the bottom third of the league. Go ahead and cheer the team, but help them improve by letting them know that winning is nicer by cheering louder and buying more of their stuff. What is scary is that Benning is in his last year and desperate to get one of those million dollar contracts. What will he do just to try to make the playoffs and possibly get a new contract? How much will his decisions compromise this team for the expansion draft? Maybe his contract runs out and he has most of a year to get the Seattle job, he does live in Portland just two hours away.

Really, you want to compare a player with a congenital disease as a failure? Fine, in Hodgson's 1rst 80 games he has more points than Jake in 4. Hodgson's problem was not known at the time and it took years to find out. Jake on the other hand already had shoulder surgery and was injured when drafted. Shoulder injuries are not the same as others, this was shown by how easy he re-injured it in a fight, which most fans want him to do again even knowing the shoulder issue.They drafted damaged goods. And to make it worse for Jake, his draft year he was drafted for his high out put of offence and what did they do, made him into a third line player. OJ's back injury was less harmful than Boeser's but it has been used as an excuse for 18 months. This is how many years now? Hey, did you see that great goal McAvoy got. 3 home runs out of 6? 50% is good enough? At that rate Horvat is retiring before the team is a cup contender.

You forgot Benning's other 25 GREAT draft picks and the ones that left the team for whatever reason, but being that there was more than one, it sort goes that is is the team and not the players. OR really bad evaluating skills from the GM. Many of Gilis's draft picks could be shown as Higgins, LaPierre, Torres, Maholtra, Erhoff, Ballard and other high skilled players that played in the league for well over 100 games, Benning's can't be said to do that yet.

Only madness if not watching the playoffs. This team is still 2 more years at least from serious contention, they need many more top draft picks, successful ones. If trading Hughes brought back another top pick like Bouchard or Dobson and an additional pick/prospect, in heart beat. No matter how good the team looked losing 50 games, they still lost 50 games after 6 years of Benning. You know the team has lost the most games in a four year period than it ever has before? Rebuilds should not take over 7 years, not any more, it has been that way for two decades now; https://youtu.be/-Iu2L2-YmDc?t=1264

Reality is probably 50%. Two very good scoring lines and 3 very good defencemen.are needed otherwise it is another situation where there is the Sedin line and constant looking for secondary scoring, even when they were at the top of the league and Kesler scored 40, they were still in need of secondary scoring. 3 for 6 at forward and 1 for 3 on defence.

Yes, he modernized the front office. Wow, just about as many as Benning.by rankings. Benning selections apart from the year Boeser slipped is far worse. In top ten picks Gillis was two for two, Cody Hodgson and Bo Horvat. Both were players out of the box. Jake Virtanen - not a 6 overall, a bad selection Jared McCann - a good pick but not valued in Vancouver, given away for free. Brock Boeser - good pick, exceptional player ranked by 25 scouting offices at #25, Oli Juolevi - So far behind his drat class he can not even be rated as an NHL player, very bad pick. Elias Pettersson - Great pick by comparisons. Quinton Hughes - too early to tell if he can manage the bigger stronger NHL players but has skating and puck handling skill. Gaudette - A pick from Gillis starting out, he if he can make the team But where are the others? The other 35 draft picks? What about ALL those clause contracts Benning has handcuffed the team with? Even more than Gillis did, but the Sedins were much better players than Eriksson.

On this team with ALL the FAAAANNNNNTASTIC prospects in the system, but they are weak already just look at how good Schenn stepped in and up the ladder. He had one foot out of the league and he was not the worst by far. Olli Juolevi was a "positional" draft pick how is he doing eh? They bypassed Tkachuk to get him. In any trade Vancouver cannot trade for another old player. They should be trying to get all the next core right around Petterson and Boeser's age, they have a start with Elias, Brok and Quinton all within 2 years of each other, Horvat is just on the fringe but his league wide trade value is disproportionately high, a 24 year old center in his prime with another 4 years at a cap of 5.5 mil and he wins most of his FO's. He is prime trade bait, the return would be way out of proportion to a one on one deal unless that was maybe for Dahlin. If a player it has to be a player in the core age group, if picks, then multiple 1rsts over a couple of years, that kid in next years draft maybe.

Target a team that is likely to finish very low next year ad go for this and next years firsts. Ideally it would be good to get the #2 pick this year. NYR sell winners and don't like waiting. Buffalo needs stability and on ice leadership, now if there was a way to pry Dahlin out of there, ha. The fact is that any player can be traded for IF the plan is in place for a 3 year rebuild. Might lose a player like Horvat but how much would a player like Dahlin or two top 5 picks plus this year's #10 improve the team. Any player, but there needs to be a good plan. Not just to be looking good while losing. This is no "winning environment" and Horvat deserves a new chance, 6 years of losing can change his game and value. They are not close to being competitive in the playoffs right now, the 2nd smallest team in the league, Tampa, has been bounced repeatedly, they may be good in the regular season but in the playoffs they get run over.

How it helps is determined by the goal of the team, some are Stanley Cup contenders and need players not prospects so they might give up high draft picks. Some teams are rebuilding and need many foundation pieces, they can build only through the draft but then they can't miss many picks as each miss adds a year or more to make up for it. If a team really wants to rebuild faster they have to give up on a good player to get multiple top picks back. For the Canucks trading Horvat and yes he is a stud, to a team close but still in need could get two 1rst round picks in return plus a promising prospect. This would jump the team's rebuild by a year. Boston got 3 1rst's in one year sort of like 3 years of first round picks.Or three years of rebuilding in one. Canucks need to get much bigger on the back end as well, StLouis has the biggest back end in the league, big enough to stop Winnipeg and so far all others. They may not be the fastest but in the playoffs they are punishing smaller players. Winnipeg's forwards were able to squash smaller dmen into submission.

More Important games. Maybe AV doesn't like or trust him?

A #34 pick is very close to a #31 pick and each round is up to 29 picks earlier than the top teams are getting.