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I'm gonna rub dirt in all of your faces if OEL returns to his form of 2 years ago after a healthy off season of training. I still think OEL is a bonafide top 4 LHD that was playing injured last year. This buyout is gonna look really stupid if that's the case.

It was my fault. I used Lotus 1 2 3 instead of Excel for a few spreadsheets in that thread. Result -- it was locked away.

Kinda feels like the Tyler Myers UFA year....

Totally agreed. Clearly if the Canucks could really use a defenceman like him, many other teams could also use him. Therefore, bidding war. Therefore, $5.5 to $6M man on a long term deal. People that think he'll be signed at $4M AAV are out to lunch.

To VAN Bowen Byram To COL 1st Round Pick - 11th OA (VAN) Logan Stanley To WPG Oskar Olausson 3rd Round Pick (VAN) Sign UFA Mayfield to $5M AAV deal. Canucks defence core this coming year: Byram-Hronek Hughes-Mayfield Wolanin/Hirose/Brisebois-Myers

If NAS is willing to unload both Sissons and Fabbro for only Boeser and Rathbone, you take that and run for the hills lmao.

All hypotheticals at this point so I'm not gonna continue anymore lol. It's just my opinion that I think OEL would still have been 2LHD. The reason is cuz I went through the list of LHD available around the league for 2nd pairing roles and surprisingly the pickings are really slim.

If Aquilini didn't ante up, yeah, I believe they'd have him playing 2LHD. Again, I'm not saying he'd be good as a 2LHD, but what I am saying is that's what we would have been left with. No different than last year or the year before.

Not saying he would be a good 2nd pair LHD, but reality is that's how he would have been deployed.

That's out of convenience that you automatically move him onto the 3rd pair. Reality is if he was healthy and is healthy going into next season, he'd be on the 2nd pair.

But doesn't OEL need to be replaced? I assume a top 4 LHD will be at least $4M per year for the next 4 years. That means $16M plus the $17M owed to OEL... $33M out of Aquilini’s pocket instead of $29M. So $4M extra cost overall.

Trade down and grab an extra 2nd round pick. Draft Simashev with our 1st this year. 6'4" 205lbs NHL ready defensive specialist LHD to replace OEL.

All of the teams you mentioned are losing depth this coming year because of that dead cap. Likely significant pieces too. As usual we can't see the future, but until one of those teams wins a cup with dead cap on the roster, I'm sticking to my stance that dead cap = no cup.

Some more than others. That's the point here.

Even at $100M, the dead cap would be about the equivalent of 1.75M in today's cap world. That's a pretty solid bottom 6 forward or 3rd pair defenceman.

It doesn't have to be just an anchor on the 3rd pair. There could be anchors on 4th lines or 3rd lines up front. Anchors in backup goalies, etc. Bottomline is most teams have a bad contract or anchor on their roster. Doesn't mean they can't succeed. Dead cap on the other hand has been pretty evident that it is a huge detriment to building a cup champion.

LTIR is not dead cap.

And I mentioned to you multiple times how it has been shown in the recent past that an anchor contract for a veteran defender on the 3rd pair is not the end of the world. Certainly not to the point where we had to buyout a contract that resulted in us sitting on dead cap for 8 years. One thing is for certain, there has not been a Stanley Cup winning roster that had dead cap on the cap hit. If history continues, the Canucks are now out of the running for a Cup win for at least 8 more years.

Wait and see what? I was literally responding to your last reply. And I'm the one with reading comprehension issues?? Lol

I never look at +/- for any player. Unless a player is -30 on a team that has a +75 differential lol

Erik Johnson had multiple years left as well when the Avs were a powerhouse. +/- is no indicator of how good a player is. It tells us how good a team's defence is.

Kinda like how you're guaranteeing we get equal or better value from a replacement top 4 LHD capable of playing 20+ min a night? While also costing $5M or less AAV.

See above re: Erik Johnson and his $6M playing 3rd pair duties on a stanley cup winner.

The Avalanche had a $6M Erik Johnson on the 3rd pair and won the Cup. What they and other cup winners didn't have is dead cap on the books.

Why buy out at all? If we're just trying to get through those 2 high dead cap years, then we're just talking 4 years in total.