pwnstar Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 All i read was AV and Moron in the same sentence then i was like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferlands_Head Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Ummm...when did I say I want him? You should read posts before responding. I was simply stating competitive teams with a number of tough guys. On a side not, apparently MG tried going after him July 1st and Glass turned him down. That says something. I'm not doubting, in anyway, that MG is a top GM in the NHL. However, he needs to except the fact that this soft skilled roster won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHobo73 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Aren't we on a 6 game winning streak? I feel bad for the person who has to please you on a daily basis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshinefe Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I've had enough of this idiocy from Gillis, and the rest of you should be sick of it, too. The Canucks still have absolutely no one that the team can stand to lose for 5-10 mins during any given game who can truly make other teams think twice about taking cheap shots at Vancouver's star players. Manny's gone, so a spot is open, and whatever Volpatti and/or Weise provide to the team can easily be supplemented by Vandermeer with the type of intimidation he brings to the table. Yet, Gillis remains sitting on his ass, spewing his nonsense about how the game cannot be policed by the players and that all of that has to come through enforcement of the rules by on-ice officials as well as those in charge of handing out supplementary discipline. WAKE UP, GILLIS, YOU MORON!! The Sedins continue to get mugged on the ice nearly every game; they are sheltered from absolutely none of this by those people you expect to provide them with protection; and the only person on the team's roster who has the potential to supply them with any of this desperately needed protection has all the following going against him: - he's 22 years old, and thus has nearly no NHL fighting experience in comparison to the other goons who are often deployed to target the Sedins; - he's a top-six forward, and is expected to behave as such, which more than likely confuses him as to when he should drop the gloves, if ever; - and the two players who are supposed to be scoring most of the team's goals currently are not, thus suggesting to him that he stay on the ice and continue to provide the offense they cannot right now instead of scaring the sh*t out of any other players and being sent to the box. If Vandermeer takes Volpatti's place, the team loses a bit of speed of the fourth line, but so be it. If he takes Weise's place, it loses speed and a fairly good PK man, but Vandermeer can work on improving his abilities in this area over the season and make up for what he's lacking by providing some actual toughness to this team. Either way, the Canucks are better off. THE SEDINS NEED P-R-O-T-E-C-T-I-O-N, and Dan O'Halloran or whatever other dickhead official that clearly has a dislike for Vancouver's star players is not going to provide them with it. Get off your ass, Gillis, and get something done for a change, because other teams have no reservations taking liberties with our players with the way you've built built this team for your entire run as GM. And the fact that you seem to wear that as a badge of pride is absolutely shameful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop Em Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I threw out a guess. Oh no I was wrong. My point is still correct that fighting isn't a big part of the playoffs. All you have to do is watch the games to know that. Glad you find so much enjoyment out of pointing that out though, but you're really adding nothing to the conversation. Which I was actually trying to do. And if both players drop the gloves and throw punches, that's a fighting major. The only way it is a double minor for roughing is if one guy drops the gloves and the other guy doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Read my post again, genius. You really think there are never any times when there would be an overlap between the Canucks putting out their fourth line and the opposing team's first (or any other) line or any one of their defensive pairings? If you really believe that, don't even mention the words hockey IQ to me, you numbskull. How about when the first line of an opposing team ices the puck and is thus forced to take a faceoff in their defensive zone and can't make a line change. You really think they'll just effortlessly be able to win the draw against Lapierre, clear the puck out of their zone, AND make a line change before a guy like Vandermeer could grab a guy like Keith and start pounding his face into the ice?? That could and would easily happen if Gillis had any wits about him and the courage to make the right moves to protect his star players. But the guy is a coward. No wonder he was a players agent for such a long time, the sleazeball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop Em Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Hah. With the refs calling things the way they were, we would have gotten a penalty for that. Would that really be worth it? The refs clearly let the Bruins run around freely and do what they want. It was not an even playing field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien37 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Aren't we on a 6 game winning streak? I feel bad for the person who has to please you on a daily basis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 This stupid argument needs to stop getting posted. If a guy like Vandermeer had been with the team at the time, the hit probably wouldn't have happened IN THE FIRST PLACE. Holy moly, the density in here is stifling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop Em Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Funny how you completely ignored the part about 29 teams not claiming him. If he had other offers, why wouldn't those teams have claimed him? I'll take my logic over yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frazzY Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Having toughness is not limited to having an enforcer. I have a question for you, do you think Marchand does this if the tables are reversed? Say Sedin plays for the Bruins and Marchand plays for the Canucks. Does Marchand do this when he knows Lucic, Chara, Thornton, et all are on the other team? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEh53OWz0jU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogbyte Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 For those that love Vandy so much, have you guys seen his fights? Correct me if I'm wrong but from what I've seen, he's not actually a good fighter. Most of the clips where he fights tough guys, he actually loses His strength or positive is that he always shows up to fight but I wouldnt count on him to win fights to pump up the crowd or instill fear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dildo Faggins Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 And which defenseman would he bump? Having a goon defenseman in the box for 5 minutes a game doesn't do us any good. It just means that the rest of our D have to play with different partners and play more minutes. Which increases our chance of losing. And the other teams goons will take advantage of this. If we're gonna get a tough guy, we need to get one that can also play. Vandermeer is not that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsedin33 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Saw the Bolded text, gave a one star, wrote this, /next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty Walrus Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I agree. In 5 years if this team has not won a cup with this current core, gillis should be blasted for not adressing the toughness issue. The book is open on the Canucks and nothing has changed. Playing these games against bad northwestern teams will be nothing like the playoff games this team will encounter. The sedins will be roughed up and no one will do anything about it except for kassian who will try and stand his ground against 3 opposing players while his line mates skate to the bench with their heads down to avoid confrontation. If you are going to play volpatti or weise 5 minutes a game then get a legit enforcer to play those minutes, Gillis is acting like a hypocrite. All the fans who are saying this is not an issue will change their mind years down the road if this team has not won a cup. They have the players to win the cup but won't because gillis's ego won't allow him to go against his own iedeolgy and get a legit enforcer. This will be a dark mark on the Canucks for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I agree. In 5 years if this team has not won a cup with this current core, gillis should be blasted for not adressing the toughness issue. The book is open on the Canucks and nothing has changed. Playing these games against bad northwestern teams will be nothing like the playoff games this team will encounter. The sedins will be roughed up and no one will do anything about it except for kassian who will try and stand his ground against 3 opposing players while his line mates skate to the bench with their heads down to avoid confrontation. If you are going to play volpatti or weise 5 minutes a game then get a legit enforcer to play those minutes, Gillis is acting like a hypocrite. All the fans who are saying this is not an issue will change their mind years down the road if this team has not won a cup. They have the players to win the cup but won't because gillis's ego won't allow him to go against his own iedeolgy and get a legit enforcer. This will be a dark mark on the Canucks for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I agree. In 5 years if this team has not won a cup with this current core, gillis should be blasted for not adressing the toughness issue. The book is open on the Canucks and nothing has changed. Playing these games against bad northwestern teams will be nothing like the playoff games this team will encounter. The sedins will be roughed up and no one will do anything about it except for kassian who will try and stand his ground against 3 opposing players while his line mates skate to the bench with their heads down to avoid confrontation. If you are going to play volpatti or weise 5 minutes a game then get a legit enforcer to play those minutes, Gillis is acting like a hypocrite. All the fans who are saying this is not an issue will change their mind years down the road if this team has not won a cup. They have the players to win the cup but won't because gillis's ego won't allow him to go against his own iedeolgy and get a legit enforcer. This will be a dark mark on the Canucks for years to come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 All I hear is whine, whine, whine. The Canucks should have manned up and fought back but they didn't have the team to do so. That's why I much preferred the 94 team. They could play the game any way that you wanted, skill, speed, toughness, they had it all, unlike the team from 2 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanBeef Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Playoff hockey last year was a full thug fest, like nothing i've ever seen before. Bring up Vandermeer and sign one more absolute thug. a monster, 6"4 min... ++ 230lbs+++ with a mean streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clynch Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Gillis does not decide who plays with who. AV doesn't decide who is on the roster either. If the Sedins need that much on ice protection the AV will line up Kassian, Volpatti, Wiese or whoever else is on the current roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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