poetica Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 So the last time we lost a low scoring game with Luongo was quite a while ago then. That's what I figured. Since that game the team has also won half of Luo's 20 playoff starts. And 7 of those wins were by a single goal margin, including 2 SCF shutouts. Not exactly shabby! Also, the team hasn't scored 3 goals with Luo in net since game 2 of the SCF. (Since then, the team has only scored 3 goals in a playoff game twice but Cory was in net for both. We won the LA game and lost the SJ game.) And of course there's that little fact you stubbornly ignore: Playoff games are not often won by 1-0 or 2-1 scores. In fact, in both of the last 2 years, only 21 of the 86 playoffs played were won by 2-1 or 1-0. (Or, merely 24%.) If any team could win the Cup with mostly low scoring games it would be LA, right? Well, when LA won the Cup, only 5 of their 16 wins were won by those scores. Despite the fact that only one team scored less than LA during the regular season that year, LA still managed to score 4 or more goals in 9 of their 16 wins. In fact, LA scored 57 goals in their 20 games. During our 10/11 Cup run, we scored only 58 goals in 25 games. When they won the Cup, LA had a G/G of 2.85. In 10/11, we were the best scorers in the league in the regular season but only had a 2.32 G/G in the playoffs. In case you didn't get it: LA scored better the year they won the Cup than we did when we came within a single win. And despite their reliance on a shutdown goalie, they won only 6 games by a single goal margin while we won 10 games by a single goal margin in our Cup run. Absolutely, quality goaltending matters. But scoring is still how you win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Firstly, we really shouldn't need to make a huge 3-4 goal comeback with Mr. Elite between the pipes. Secondly, I guess game 2 against San Jose in 2011. Luongo hasn't been outstandingly good the past two years. I must have missed it. Which of our players has been outstandingly good the past 2 years? Here's a stat. In the 10 playoff series' Luongo played in between 2007 and 2011, in 5 (half) of them he posted some very unimpressive, far from elite numbers. If we take it one step further, in the 7 series' beginning with Chicago in 2009 through 2011, Luongo posted mediocre to poor numbers in 5 of those 7 series'. Also, I cant speak for everyone but I dont want our stars to fail. The reason Luongo gets chewed on is because he has failed, repeatedly. Being branded as elite and not looking the part far too often. Here's some stats: In 11/12, Quick was nothing short of amazing. In his 16 wins, he allowed only a total of 20 goals. In our 10/11 Cup run, Luo allowed 22 goals in our 15 wins. Had we won Game 7, we would have won a Cup with Luo allowing only 25 goals in our 16 wins. Instead, Boston won with Thomas allowing 26 goals in their 16 wins (none of which came in the 16th win.) Sure, Luo had his blowouts and some people LOVE to point them out like snotty little brats telling their moms. But only blind fools believe Luo didn't play well enough for us to the Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyril Sneer Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I must have missed it. Which of our players has been outstandingly good the past 2 years? Here's some stats: In 11/12, Quick was nothing short of amazing. In his 16 wins, he allowed only a total of 20 goals. In our 10/11 Cup run, Luo allowed 22 goals in our 15 wins. Had we won Game 7, we would have won a Cup with Luo allowing only 25 goals in our 16 wins. Instead, Boston won with Thomas allowing 26 goals in their 16 wins (none of which came in the 16th win.) Sure, Luo had his blowouts and some people LOVE to point them out like snotty little brats telling their moms. But only blind fools believe Luo didn't play well enough for us to the Cup. Don't you realize that this is the whole enigma surrounding Luongo???!!! Wicked good or wicked sucks for no apparent reason at all whatsoever. Stats do not tell me what is inside that man's brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I must have missed it. Which of our players has been outstandingly good the past 2 years? Here's some stats: In 11/12, Quick was nothing short of amazing. In his 16 wins, he allowed only a total of 20 goals. In our 10/11 Cup run, Luo allowed 22 goals in our 15 wins. Had we won Game 7, we would have won a Cup with Luo allowing only 25 goals in our 16 wins. Instead, Boston won with Thomas allowing 26 goals in their 16 wins (none of which came in the 16th win.) Sure, Luo had his blowouts and some people LOVE to point them out like snotty little brats telling their moms. But only blind fools believe Luo didn't play well enough for us to the Cup. "Spot on" as someone once said... and also Sneer, said 1 thing that has an credibility everything else is just slander. "So stop telling everyone how it is kid." You are not some type of all seeing hockey oracle. You are a fictional Internet character that has no clue what that teams psyche is or was. Actually, I am a real life person with real life experiences. My point was there are many things that lead up up to a goal, it doesn't always have to do with the tendy. The goalie is the last line of defense, so take some of your blame and throw it on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Don't you realize that this is the whole enigma surrounding Luongo???!!! Wicked good or wicked sucks for no apparent reason at all whatsoever. Stats do not tell me what is inside that man's brain I just think you're a troll at this point, you bring nothing to the debate and full on resort to name calling. I do not dislike anyone on this forum, and really feel you should start respecting other peoples opinions by having a valid counter point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Get real canuck fans Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I must have missed it. Which of our players has been outstandingly good the past 2 years? Here's some stats: In 11/12, Quick was nothing short of amazing. In his 16 wins, he allowed only a total of 20 goals. In our 10/11 Cup run, Luo allowed 22 goals in our 15 wins. Had we won Game 7, we would have won a Cup with Luo allowing only 25 goals in our 16 wins. Instead, Boston won with Thomas allowing 26 goals in their 16 wins (none of which came in the 16th win.) Sure, Luo had his blowouts and some people LOVE to point them out like snotty little brats telling their moms. But only blind fools believe Luo didn't play well enough for us to the Cup. Quick was pulled or replaced zero times in 11/12 and in the Kings 4 losses gave up 2 goals 3 times and 3 goals once(2.33 gaa roughly), In other words his team was in all 20 games that post season., Thomas was pulled or replaced zero times in 2010-11 and the Bruins lost 9 games and Thomas allowed 25 goals(roughly 2.75 gaa) and Thomas's team was in every game with a chance to win ,Luongo was replaced or pulled 5 times and could have been yanked more in 2010-11 in Vancouver losses Luongo gave up 39 goals in around 8 games of game time in our 10 losses Luongo gave up 39 goals (gaa of about 5) and we had no chance to win in 6 games. It is easy to see why Lu is so frustrating to so many because when he is on game he is so good, but when he is bad he is absolutely terrible and lets in goals in rapid deflating fashion so often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Ok lets go ROUND 1 Luongo-0,3,2,7,5,1(Schneider got hurt),1=18 goals total in 7 games Thomas-2,3,2,4,1,2,3=17 goals in 7 games but Cancuks faced a harder team ROUND 2 Luongo-0,2,2,2,3,1=10 goals allowed in 6 games. Thomas-3,2,1,1=7 goals in 4 games So Luongo let in 3 more goals in 2 more games. ROUND 3 Luongo-2,3,4,2,2=13 goals allowed in 5 games Thomas-5,5,0,5,1,4,0=20 goals in 7 games. Almost 3.0 GAA ROUND 4 Luongo-0,2,8,4,0,5,4=23 goals in 7 games. Horrible Thomas-1,3,1,0,0,2,0=7 goals in 7 games. Remarkable stats So Round 1 is a tie Round 2 Luongo wins Round 3 Luongo wins Round 4 Thomas blew Luongo out of the water All in all is Luongo just won that last game and if he had help he would have we would have a cup and Luongo would likely win the Con Smythe and the Vezina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Ok lets go ROUND 1 Luongo-0,3,2,7,5,1(Schneider got hurt),1=18 goals total in 7 games Thomas-2,3,2,4,1,2,3=17 goals in 7 games but Cancuks faced a harder team ROUND 2 Luongo-0,2,2,2,3,1=10 goals allowed in 6 games. Thomas-3,2,1,1=7 goals in 4 games So Luongo let in 3 more goals in 2 more games. ROUND 3 Luongo-2,3,4,2,2=13 goals allowed in 5 games Thomas-5,5,0,5,1,4,0=20 goals in 7 games. Almost 3.0 GAA ROUND 4 Luongo-0,2,8,4,0,5,4=23 goals in 7 games. Horrible Thomas-1,3,1,0,0,2,0=7 goals in 7 games. Remarkable stats So Round 1 is a tie Round 2 Luongo wins Round 3 Luongo wins Round 4 Thomas blew Luongo out of the water All in all is Luongo just won that last game and if he had help he would have we would have a cup and Luongo would likely win the Con Smythe and the Vezina Great research! Props to you, sheds a new view upon the whole situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux4lyfe Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 I think the next 5-6 yrs will truly determine Luongo's career, He's been through a lot more then most goaltenders have and now the balls in his court, Time to show up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plum Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Ok lets go ROUND 1 Luongo-0,3,2,7,5,1(Schneider got hurt),1=18 goals total in 7 games Thomas-2,3,2,4,1,2,3=17 goals in 7 games but Cancuks faced a harder team ROUND 2 Luongo-0,2,2,2,3,1=10 goals allowed in 6 games. Thomas-3,2,1,1=7 goals in 4 games So Luongo let in 3 more goals in 2 more games. ROUND 3 Luongo-2,3,4,2,2=13 goals allowed in 5 games Thomas-5,5,0,5,1,4,0=20 goals in 7 games. Almost 3.0 GAA ROUND 4 Luongo-0,2,8,4,0,5,4=23 goals in 7 games. Horrible Thomas-1,3,1,0,0,2,0=7 goals in 7 games. Remarkable stats So Round 1 is a tie Round 2 Luongo wins Round 3 Luongo wins Round 4 Thomas blew Luongo out of the water All in all is Luongo just won that last game and if he had help he would have we would have a cup and Luongo would likely win the Con Smythe and the Vezina So Thomas won when it mattered and showed more consistency. How did Luongo win round 2? What if Thomas shutout in those last 2 games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 So Thomas won when it mattered and showed more consistency. How did Luongo win round 2? What if Thomas shutout in those last 2 games? Luongo had a better GAA than a fellow vezina candidate(Rinne) at the time and Thomas versed the mess that is Price. IDK what you mean about the shutout part and this is from as much of a unbiased point of veiw as I could do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drouin Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 So Thomas won when it mattered and showed more consistency. How did Luongo win round 2? What if Thomas shutout in those last 2 games? More consistency.. I think our team is to blame there, lack of scoring. 2 shutouts wasn't enough? Sedins, Kesler, Burrows, anyone couldn't provide any offense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Papayas Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 So Thomas won when it mattered and showed more consistency. How did Luongo win round 2? What if Thomas shutout in those last 2 games? Stupid using the term "when it matters" like an idiot. Every game matters in the playoff. Just because you won some games, it doesn't mean the game you won aren't important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riviera82 Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Ok lets go ROUND 1 Luongo-0,3,2,7,5,1(Schneider got hurt),1=18 goals total in 7 games Thomas-2,3,2,4,1,2,3=17 goals in 7 games but Cancuks faced a harder team ROUND 2 Luongo-0,2,2,2,3,1=10 goals allowed in 6 games. Thomas-3,2,1,1=7 goals in 4 games So Luongo let in 3 more goals in 2 more games. ROUND 3 Luongo-2,3,4,2,2=13 goals allowed in 5 games Thomas-5,5,0,5,1,4,0=20 goals in 7 games. Almost 3.0 GAA ROUND 4 Luongo-0,2,8,4,0,5,4=23 goals in 7 games. Horrible Thomas-1,3,1,0,0,2,0=7 goals in 7 games. Remarkable stats So Round 1 is a tie Round 2 Luongo wins Round 3 Luongo wins Round 4 Thomas blew Luongo out of the water All in all is Luongo just won that last game and if he had help he would have we would have a cup and Luongo would likely win the Con Smythe and the Vezina Round 1 Luongo - 2.98 GAA, .902 Sv% Thomas - 2.25 GAA, .926 Sv% Round 2 Luongo - 1.63 GAA, .933 Sv% Thomas - 1.65 GAA, .953 Sv% Round 3 Luongo - 2.38 GAA, .931 Sv% Thomas - 2.73 GAA, .915 Sv% Round 4 Luongo - 3.41 GAA, .891 Sv% Thomas - 1.15 GAA, .967 Sv% Also, for those of you who say that Thomas was just as bad in Round 3 as Luongo was in Round 4, his numbers still ended up being about a full head above Luongo's. Edit: The Vezina trophy has nothing to do with the playoffs and Thomas probably would still win the Conn Smythe even if we had won game 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Edit: The Vezina trophy has nothing to do with the playoffs and Thomas probably would still win the Conn Smythe even if we had won game 7. I don't think so. It would have taken another shutout and a 1-0 victory from Luongo - and that would have his 3rd in the finals. If we won the Cup, Luongo, despite his faltering in Boston, would have stolen it for us - we would have been the lowest scoring team to win in 7 games in Stanley Cup Finals history (2011 Canucks are the lowest scoring team to make it to game 7 of SCF - they are also the lowest scoring team to make it to even game 6). Conn Smythe would have been Luongo's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watermelon Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Round 1 Luongo - 2.98 GAA, .902 Sv% Thomas - 2.25 GAA, .926 Sv% Round 2 Luongo - 1.63 GAA, .933 Sv% Thomas - 1.65 GAA, .953 Sv% Round 3 Luongo - 2.38 GAA, .931 Sv% Thomas - 2.73 GAA, .915 Sv% Round 4 Luongo - 3.41 GAA, .891 Sv% Thomas - 1.15 GAA, .967 Sv% Also, for those of you who say that Thomas was just as bad in Round 3 as Luongo was in Round 4, his numbers still ended up being about a full head above Luongo's. Edit: The Vezina trophy has nothing to do with the playoffs and Thomas probably would still win the Conn Smythe even if we had won game 7. Its not just about stats though, the Canucks faced harder competition. First Round-Hawks>>>>>Habs(No question) Second Round-Preds=Flyers(Vezina candidate vs. Vezina candidate and Luongo won while Flyers had a great season) Third Round-Sharks>Lightning(Torres hurting Thorton helped a ton) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Stupid using the term "when it matters" like an idiot. Every game matters in the playoff. Just because you won some games, it doesn't mean the game you won aren't important. LOL, when it matters is a stupid term? No wonder your a Lou fan. When it matters is more important in the playoffs then anything. When it matters is when the truly elite raise there game and give there team the chance they need to win. Lou has often failed when it matters and that's why there are so many critical fans because he doesn't perform well when it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nino Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Quick was pulled or replaced zero times in 11/12 and in the Kings 4 losses gave up 2 goals 3 times and 3 goals once(2.33 gaa roughly), In other words his team was in all 20 games that post season., Thomas was pulled or replaced zero times in 2010-11 and the Bruins lost 9 games and Thomas allowed 25 goals(roughly 2.75 gaa) and Thomas's team was in every game with a chance to win ,Luongo was replaced or pulled 5 times and could have been yanked more in 2010-11 in Vancouver losses Luongo gave up 39 goals in around 8 games of game time in our 10 losses Luongo gave up 39 goals (gaa of about 5) and we had no chance to win in 6 games. It is easy to see why Lu is so frustrating to so many because when he is on game he is so good, but when he is bad he is absolutely terrible and lets in goals in rapid deflating fashion so often. This is something that Lou fans miss. Question is how many games that they could have lost did they come back and win because there goalie didn't fold? If quick had 3 or 4 blowouts LA would not have won the cup, it would have messed with the teams confidence and it could have very well been on of the games they need to win but they couldn't because there goalie didn't keep it a game. You can't just say its ok for a goalie to play well in 16 games as that's all they need to win, your never going to win a cup like that, the goalie has to give his team a chance to win every game and the rest is on the skaters to pull off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NucksBruins Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 The only Canuck who had more than one good game in the entire 2011 finals was Luongo and we're still debating his worth. Awesome.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetica Posted August 5, 2013 Share Posted August 5, 2013 Don't you realize that this is the whole enigma surrounding Luongo???!!! Wicked good or wicked sucks for no apparent reason at all whatsoever. Stats do not tell me what is inside that man's brain No they don't. One way or the other. Was there a point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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