johngould21 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 The bigger question here should be, "Why is this taking so long?" Two guys were suspended for infractions after this one, yet nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rightasrain Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Because Shannahan is trying to figure out how not to suspend him. You see, let all the hype settle down, then maybe ...... a fine. It is the bully's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chauncey Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 The question no longer is how many seasons should he be suspended for; the question is how many years should he go to jail for?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Came across of a much younger burke handing out a suspension to tie domi for suckering Ulf Samuelson. If Domi got 8 games in the old wild west style NHL Thornton should get 16. Im sure its mostly based on my hate for the bruins but i actually think he should get bertiuzzi's suspension, the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fakename70 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Looking forward to either Engelland or Glass administering some righteous frontier justice next time these 2 squads meet. Assuming Thornton has served his suspension by then, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangler696969 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Has he had his hearing yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Looking forward to either Engelland or Glass administering some righteous frontier justice next time these 2 squads meet. Assuming Thornton has served his suspension by then, of course. Glass would get ragdolled by thornton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fakename70 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Glass would get ragdolled by thornton I don't know about "ragdolled", but, I was giving it some thought while walking down the street after I posted it, and thought that Glass would be better suited for undercard action, leaving Thornton duty to Engelland. Mainly, because I was remembering when he (Engelland) made Evander Kane answer for 1-2'ing Matt Cook. Because of that, Engelland almost HAS to step to Thornton. Not sure who else (other than Glass) the Pens have would would be even remotely suited for that. And, let's not forget that the B's (Lucic?) might have their sights set on James Neal in return. Not that I'm bloodthirsty, but, for the potential matchups the next time these 2 squads meet, I'm hoping Thornton isn't banned for the remainder of the season. For that reason ONLY. I think that next meeting has Avalanche-Red Wings 1997 written all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mauviette75 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Has he had his hearing yet? tomorrow at 1PM ET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dangler696969 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 tomorrow at 1PM ET Oh yeah....Hopefully I'll wake up to a suspension for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Mauviette75 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Oh yeah....Hopefully I'll wake up to a suspension for the rest of the season. lol that's never going to happen. that would be a 50 game suspension. it's somewhere between 10-20 games. i would guess 14. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrippledCanuck Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Shanahan will give him credit for the 3 games he sat out so far and then suspend for 7 more for a total of 10 games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex the Great Posted December 13, 2013 Author Share Posted December 13, 2013 Hearing has started but may take until tomorrow to get an announcement regarding suspension length Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quoted Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Shanahan will give him credit for the 3 games he sat out so far and then suspend for 7 more for a total of 10 games IMHO anything under 15 will be a travesty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KING ALBERTS Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Burrows for Thornton Sedin Sedin Thornton, BAM! Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This is fake, but if Orpik showed up in one of these, Thornton's career would be over. That being said, what is taking the NHL so long here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustNazzy Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This is fake, but if Orpik showed up in one of these, Thornton's career would be over. That being said, what is taking the NHL so long here? Text Size http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=438808 Many have asked: why on earth is it taking so long to announce Shawn Thornton's suspension? On December 7, Thornton pulled Brooks Orpik to the ice from behind and punched him a few times in the face for good measure. Orpik was taken off on a stretcher, and having suffered a concussion, hasn't played since the incident. The scene was reminiscent of Tie Domi on Ulf Samuelsson, and to a lesser extent Marty McSorley and Todd Bertuzzi. Thornton's hearing will be Friday, almost a full week after the incident. It's not a surprise this one is taking time. The weight of the NFL concussion lawsuits, the recently filed NHL concussion class action and the Boogaard lawsuit are likely weighing heavily on the decision making process. The league may be looking at this one very carefully to ensure they send the right message, not only to players, parents and fans, but also to potential jurors. And that message is this: we are taking all reasonable steps to ensure the safety of our players. The league will want to be seen as being proactive when it comes to protecting the brains of players, and that means firmly addressing unnecessary risk on the ice. Hockey is an inherently dangerous sport and that will never change. Still, contact that is not part of the game will be scrutinized. It seems unlikely that NHL vice-president of player safety Brendan Shanahan will be working alone on this suspension. This will be a group effort with lawyers intimately involved. This incident raises complex legal issues and will be considered with care. Ultimately, the suspension is less a hockey decision and more a legal decision. So whatever the ruling by the NHL, the assumption needs to be that the league will actively consider the legal angles before making its decision. This is an important time for the league. The discussion about violence in sports has been rising over the past few years as the public becomes more aware of the potential long-term impact of headshots. Indeed, there seems to be a trend emerging: concerns over violence in sports have become part of the narrative of the game of hockey and they don't seem to be going away anytime soon. And, in part, those concerns are now being expressed in lawsuits. A Crime? One more question that is raised: were Thornton's actions a crime? The answer lies in the issue of consent, which is your starting point when assessing whether a hit on the ice is elevated to a crime. In hockey, when a player steps on the ice, he is agreeing to some form of bodily contact and the risk of injury that flows from that contact. Hockey is understood to be an inherently violent game and injuries happen. At law, this principle of consent is called voluntary assumption of risk. Players assume risk when playing and can't turn around and sue for the harm that comes from that type of fair and expected contact. However, a distinction should be made. Players are only consenting incidental contact (or contact that is part of the game like body checks). Players are not consenting to acts that are outside the scope of what is acceptable in the game. When that happens, you start asking if a crime has occurred. We did that in cases like Bertuzzi on Moore, McSorley on Brashear and Alex Perezhogin on Garrett Stafford. And we are doing that with Thornton on Orpik. It's tough to argue that Thornton's actions constitute incidental contact. Pulling Orpik to the ice from behind and punching him repeatedly in the face is not contact that is accepted as part of the game. So to characterize the incident as an assault is not unreasonable. And just because it happened on the ice doesn't change anything. Assault is assault is assault. That being said, the incident wasn't bad enough to warrant charges and that's why we didn't see any materialize. Finally, as far as length of the suspension, my best guess is 12 to 15 games. Anything north of 15 games will signal an acknowledgement that times have changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This is fake, but if Orpik showed up in one of these, Thornton's career would be over. That being said, what is taking the NHL so long here? It may be that the NHL is thinking hard on this one, as TSN tries hard to suggest. Then again, they may also simply be hoping the soap gets softer the longer they leave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 This is fake, but if Orpik showed up in one of these, Thornton's career would be over. That being said, what is taking the NHL so long here? Yea cause Bertuzzi's career is over too right? Thorton will get 8-15 games he has no previous history of suspension so don't expect anything more than 15 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 No, Bertuzzi's career didn't end. His effectiveness and status as elite power forward did. But Thornton is 36 years old. It's almost over anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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