ilduce39 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Wow, there are a lot of really people in here. If it angers you so much that some people would offer sympathy to a girl who found it necessary to take her own life, perhaps you shouldn't bother posting in this thread. Pretty much. To those people: thanks for the public service announcement about how much of an idiot the victim of a sexual predator was, though. I'm really glad you all deigned to drop by and share those nuggets of wisdom. Particularly the part where you stereotype and shame a girl based on two actions in one hand while hypocritically denouncing people for feeling empathy towards an incomplete perception of her in another. I suppose it's inconceivable that a high-profile cyberbullying-suicide situation would do anything to further legislation and enforcement protecting our youth from people who would prey on them. Not to mention providing a poignant and talking-point about the dangers of sharing sensitive pictures over media that youth may relate to. Especially when most parents have zero experience and nary a personal reference point to the dangers modern youth grow up with in this regard. They certainly wouldn't be prompted to pay more attention to the online activities of their children and perhaps engage in discussions about appropriate conduct that may save them exponential stress and grief in the future thanks to the media coverage of this situation. No. You're right. She was a stupid kid who did a stupid thing and people need to stop talking about it. [/sarcasm] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapefruits Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 You and others are making mistakes in this thread, but I won't pile on you when you are dead. Your mistakes are worse than any mistake she made... at least she wasn't hurting anyone. There was a real opportunity in this case to teach about the dangers of social media, and the dangers of the internet in general. It didn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offensive Threat Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 So anyways...the as yet unnamed man is in The Netherlands, in custody and being charged with five sex-related counts there, including extortion, internet luring, criminal harassment and child pornography in relation to Dutch victims. The RCMP has also laid charges against him in the Amanda Todd case. Is there any real hope in hell he can ever be brought to Canada to stand trial for the accusations against him here? After he serves his time in the Netherlands (assuming hes found guilty of at least one of the charges against him there)? Or do we just hope the Netherlands locks him away for a very long time and we can call it justice served? All in all Id like to see them pay for his incarceration there rather than us pay for it here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 So anyways...the as yet unnamed man is in The Netherlands, in custody and being charged with five sex-related counts there, including extortion, internet luring, criminal harassment and child pornography in relation to Dutch victims. The RCMP has also laid charges against him in the Amanda Todd case. Is there any real hope in hell he can ever be brought to Canada to stand trial for the accusations against him here? After he serves his time in the Netherlands (assuming hes found guilty of at least one of the charges against him there)? Or do we just hope the Netherlands locks him away for a very long time and we can call it justice served? All in all Id like to see them pay for his incarceration there rather than us pay for it here. I doubt they would extradite him here because he didn't physically commit the crime in Canada. The European justice system is a joke anyway.. He will most likely spend his life living in a lavish jail (man does that sound weird). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 There was a real opportunity in this case to teach about the dangers of social media, and the dangers of the internet in general. It didn't happen.Well, you are one of the people that blew that opportunity. Go look at the tone of your comments again. Its valid to say that people should be made more aware of the dangers of social media. But when it turns to victim blaming a line has been crossed. You weren't trying to teach you were being judgmental. She was an innocent victim and sending a few nude photos around just doesn't change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I'm talking in very general terms here. I think if it's okay to rip her for it while alive it should be okay to do the same while dead. Similarly if it's inappropriate while alive, nothing should change when she's dead.I see. So lets say your dad died (or anyone else you may have a decent relationship with)... are you really going to keep talking about all the small stuff he did that pissed you off? There is in fact a level of criticism that is innapropriate to persist on after a person dies. Child molester? Sure keep talking about that guy. Someone who was consistently a few minutes late? Not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Well, you are one of the people that blew that opportunity. Go look at the tone of your comments again. Its valid to say that people should be made more aware of the dangers of social media. But when it turns to victim blaming a line has been crossed. You weren't trying to teach you were being judgmental. She was an innocent victim and sending a few nude photos around just doesn't change that. Yes but can't argue the fact she set herself up in a way for the bullying to occur (handing out nudes to strangers, etc..). IMO sees in the wrong just as the accused. Hopefully this story is more of precedent on internet safety and social media then just being a sad tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silfverberg Snipes Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 well that was a boring response Strong opinions are prohibited here. I'm trying not to cross any lines here with these morally righteous people and if I said what I wanted to I'd probably be banned before anyone could respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Ambien Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 If this the right guy, I'm glad he's being nailed for extortion and child porn. As for the bullying thing, much made of nothing. It's clear Amanda's parents sucked, and Amanda had her own problems too. You can't make an individual's problems someone else's responsibility. If the parents weren't ???? stupid she wouldn't be doing half the crap she did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Yes but can't argue the fact she set herself up in a way for the bullying to occur (handing out nudes to strangers, etc..). IMO sees in the wrong just as the accused. Hopefully this story is more of precedent on internet safety and social media then just being a sad tragedy.You think giving away a nude picture is equivalent to extorting someone? I think you are sick. They are several orders of magnitude apart. There's nothing morally wrong with a nude pic. There is plenty wrong with extorting. Are you a religious fundamentalist by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 I see. So lets say your dad died (or anyone else you may have a decent relationship with)... are you really going to keep talking about all the small stuff he did that pissed you off? There is in fact a level of criticism that is innapropriate to persist on after a person dies. Child molester? Sure keep talking about that guy. Someone who was consistently a few minutes late? Not so much. To run with the dad example, my dad is quite poor with money. If he died and someone mentioned that he was bad with money, I'd agree with them, not tell them to show more respect because he's dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 You think giving away a nude picture is equivalent to extorting someone? I think you are sick. They are several orders of magnitude apart. There's nothing morally wrong with a nude pic. There is plenty wrong with extorting. Are you a religious fundamentalist by chance? No Im actually butters from South Park What does religion have to do with this? Did you not read my earlier comment regarding heretics post. Where did I mention the morals of a nude pic? All I said was she should bare some responsibly for her actions regardless of the outcome. You clearly have no idea what your taking about when you deviate from the original topic and accuse someone of religious fundamentalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 To run with the dad example, my dad is quite poor with money. If he died and someone mentioned that he was bad with money, I'd agree with them, not tell them to show more respect because he's dead.You'd have no reaction to it eh? Would you go around to other people and talk about the minor bad habits of their dead friends and relations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 You'd have no reaction to it eh? Would you go around to other people and talk about the minor bad habits of their dead friends and relations? Not unless they were maliciously trying to get a rise out of me or something. If the minor bad habits were relevant to the conversation, I don't see why I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 No Im actually butters from South Park What does religion have to do with this? Did you not read my earlier comment regarding heretics post. Where did I mention the morals of a nude pic? All I said was she should bare some responsibly for her actions regardless of the outcome. You clearly have no idea what your taking about when you deviate from the original topic and accuse someone of religious fundamentalism.The fundamentalist comment comes from you judging her for sending a nude pic. Obviously we can agree that extorting people is bad. And yet you say that sending a nude pic is just as bad. So you must think its wrong to send a pic in the same way that its wrong to extort somebody. So it sounds like you have a very puritanical view on sex. Hence the fundamentalist comment. Where did you say it? Right here.IMO sees in the wrong just as the accused.A man extorts her and causes her so much emotional anguish that she kills herself. And you think SHE is in the wrong? Why is she in the wrong? Yes if she hadn't sent the pic she wouldn't have been extorted. Yes she didn't understand social media. She was a #$%^ing teen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Not unless they were maliciously trying to get a rise out of me or something. If the minor bad habits were relevant to the conversation, I don't see why I wouldn't.One day you will figure it out. You will piss some people off along the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grapefruits Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 Well, you are one of the people that blew that opportunity. Go look at the tone of your comments again. Its valid to say that people should be made more aware of the dangers of social media. But when it turns to victim blaming a line has been crossed. You weren't trying to teach you were being judgmental. She was an innocent victim and sending a few nude photos around just doesn't change that. She is far from an innocent victim, and she did far more than send a few nudes around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 The fundamentalist comment comes from you judging her for sending a nude pic. Obviously we can agree that extorting people is bad. And yet you say that sending a nude pic is just as bad. So you must think its wrong to send a pic in the same way that its wrong to extort somebody. So it sounds like you have a very puritanical view on sex. Hence the fundamentalist comment. Where did you say it? Right here. A man extorts her and causes her so much emotional anguish that she kills herself. And you think SHE is in the wrong? Why is she in the wrong? Yes if she hadn't sent the pic she wouldn't have been extorted. Yes she didn't understand social media. She was a #$%^ing teen. Yet again you're distorting my post for your own agenda. Let me make one thing clear, I don't deny the fact that this is a horrible crime and extortion is wrong. The accused had no right to do this, but openly sending someone private pictures opens the breeding grounds for someone to abuse. She was wrong by trusting the stranger when she gave the nude pictures. Im sure she didn't think the person behind the screen would be a psychopath.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 She is far from an innocent victim, and she did far more than send a few nudes around.She sent a few nudes around, and that somehow revokes her status as an innocent victim? I think not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICanucksfan5551 Posted April 18, 2014 Share Posted April 18, 2014 One day you will figure it out. You will piss some people off along the way.Want me to point out flaws in relatives of mine that actually are dead? My grandpa was an alcoholic, my grandma likely contributed to her getting leukemia with her smoking, and my aunt wasted some of her family's money by going to a naturopath during her cancer treatment (although I'd hold more umbrage against the naturopath for taking advantage of a desperate woman in that case). You can love a dead relative without pretending that they were perfect human beings. Everybody has flaws. That doesn't mean you go around tactlessly obsessing on the negative, but I think it does a disservice to their memories to ignore parts of who they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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