TGokou Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 I definitely dont. Ehlers had 49 goals and 104 points. Ritchie had 74 points. There is a wide gap in the talent between them. No team in the top 5 has said anything about passing up others to take Ritchie. Put up the source. Skill guys are rare. Ehlers kind of skill is extremely rare. Its willful denial to try to suggest otherwise. Ehlers is faster and put up better numbers than Hodgson did. Using him as a comparison downgrades Ehlers. I appreciate your love for Ritchie because I like the package he brings. Please dont be like these other clowns and find it necessary to make up horse crap and use hyperbole to make your case. State your case for Ritchie without having to put Ehlers or the other candidates down. When you have to put other candidates down to make yours look better, it suggests you arent very confident in your own prospect. First of all, I have Ehlers rated really high, just behind Ritchie so I have no reason to put down Ehlers. If we drafted either of the two I would be happy. Second of all, there is a wide discrepancy in talent and I've never said that there isn't. However, if I draft Ritchie it's not because of what I expect him to accomplish points wise, but how he can dominate opposing lines and create space and chances for teammates. Btw nowhere in my post did I put down Ehlers. There is no source for what I have to say about the teams but Burke is the kind of guy that would draft a bigger guy like Ritchie over some of the other prospects. Ritchie going to Edmonton at 3rd is a bit of a reach I think but there may be a decent chance that he could be drafted at 5 as well or by us. The comparison to Hodgson was more of a trade value in that a prospect already contributing at the NHL level could only fetch a power forward prospect who had proven nothing. I was not trying to compare Hodgson to Ehlers. Lastly my point about the skill is that there are a lot of skilled guys that are 1st line material who were not drafted in the first round and that you don't have to be as skilled as Ehlers to be a 1st line guy..hence skill guys being a dime a dozen. On the other hand, because of the rarity of Ritchie's package it gives him a really good shot at being an effective 1st line guy and most 1st line power forwards are drafted in the first round, Lucic being just outside the 1st round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkoshack Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Crossing my fingers Ritchie is not on Canucks radar. Overrated written all over him. Virtanen would be better than him but really this team is begging for skill and a lot of it. Nylander/Ehlers or bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 Unless its Reinhart or Ekblad, I believe every other prospect is at least 2 years away. Including Ritchie or Ehlers. I don't want to rush any prospects into the team too quickly. You could be right but my main point is that Ritchie, if still there at 6th will be NHL ready quicker then Ehlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck or Die Posted May 29, 2014 Share Posted May 29, 2014 You could be right but my main point is that Ritchie, if still there at 6th will be NHL ready quicker then Ehlers.So what if he is NHL ready right away? I don't care about that. I care about actually developing our prospects to be the best they can be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 http://www.ourhometown.ca/hockey/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scarecrowtruth Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I take Jake Virtanen over Ritchie. More speed, better shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted May 31, 2014 Share Posted May 31, 2014 I take Jake Virtanen over Ritchie. More speed, better shot. he doesn't have better shot, he's not as strong and not as physical (although it's very close), and not as offensive. Only thing Virtannen has on Ritchie is speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanBeef Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 he doesn't have better shot, he's not as strong and not as physical (although it's very close), and not as offensive. Only thing Virtannen has on Ritchie is speed. Don't get me wrong, i'll pick Ritchie over Virtanen but Jake is more physical, and their shots are equal. The upside that Ritchie has over Virtanen is that he has a much better IQ and establishes himself in the offensive zones as opposed to Virtanen just bowling his way into the offensive zone and going from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanuckleHorse Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 http://bleacherreport.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Don't get me wrong, i'll pick Ritchie over Virtanen but Jake is more physical, and their shots are equal. The upside that Ritchie has over Virtanen is that he has a much better IQ and establishes himself in the offensive zones as opposed to Virtanen just bowling his way into the offensive zone and going from there. I would think so too but the information I have now is the Canucks had interviews with both Nylander and Ehlers. They had a long interview with Virtanen and no interview at all with Ritchie. At first they were saying only Virtanen and Fleury were interviewed but then 2 days later it was corrected as they interviewed Nylander and Ehlers. No interview for Ritchie unless someone has new information or a source. Its confounding to me because for my money I take Ritchie over Virtanen but i think Linden / Benning have other ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 kerby rychel had better numbers and went 19th overall last year. i dont think we should use a top 10 pick on a guy like this. I think benning knows this as he got lucic in the 2nd round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 His combine results make me leery of getting him with any 1st round pick above 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyllenhaal Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 His combine results make me leery of getting him with any 1st round pick above 14 That makes no sense. He's only 18, a combine barely affects a players ranking. All it does is tell the scouts how physically developed a player is. Ritchie will have lots of time to improve his strength and conditioning. You don't pass on a player just because they did poor in the combine otherwise Bennett would drop into the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanBeef Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 I would think so too but the information I have now is the Canucks had interviews with both Nylander and Ehlers. They had a long interview with Virtanen and no interview at all with Ritchie. At first they were saying only Virtanen and Fleury were interviewed but then 2 days later it was corrected as they interviewed Nylander and Ehlers. No interview for Ritchie unless someone has new information or a source. Its confounding to me because for my money I take Ritchie over Virtanen but i think Linden / Benning have other ideas. Highly doubt the Canucks only interviewed only four players (usually players say that they're interviewed by 20 teams or so)... However, it does look like Linden likes Virtanen a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeanBeef Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 His combine results make me leery of getting him with any 1st round pick above 14 Ritchie's leg strength was pretty solid, which is what matters most for a guy his size (hitting, protecting the puck, skating, balance etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrChill Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 Highly doubt the Canucks only interviewed only four players (usually players say that they're interviewed by 20 teams or so)... However, it does look like Linden likes Virtanen a lot. They interviewed 64 Virtanen better than Ritchie IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belsy91 Posted June 1, 2014 Share Posted June 1, 2014 The Canucks aren't going to draft Nick Ritchie at #6 overall...at the current moment Jake Virtanen seems to be the pick unless Leon Draisaitl somehow manages to slide to #6 (highly doubt); wouldnt mind trading up for Reinhart or Leon if they happen to slide a few spots either (#4 or #5 picks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancanwincup Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 William Nylander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absent Canuck Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 The Canucks aren't going to draft Nick Ritchie at #6 overall...at the current moment Jake Virtanen seems to be the pick unless Leon Draisaitl somehow manages to slide to #6 (highly doubt); wouldnt mind trading up for Reinhart or Leon if they happen to slide a few spots either (#4 or #5 picks) Explain how you know this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horvat Posted June 2, 2014 Share Posted June 2, 2014 The Canucks aren't going to draft Nick Ritchie at #6 overall...at the current moment Jake Virtanen seems to be the pick unless Leon Draisaitl somehow manages to slide to #6 (highly doubt); wouldnt mind trading up for Reinhart or Leon if they happen to slide a few spots either (#4 or #5 picks) Actually no the most high end player outside of the top 5 is nylander and thats a fact, vancouver would be lucky to get him at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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