Noseforthenet Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 So soon you all forget. Higgins was a 3rd liner in the 2011 playoffs and he was brought in because of how shaky Mason Raymond was. Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen Torres-Hodgson-Glass Tambellini Oreskovich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien37 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I know it sucks to be shown that you are wrong, but trying to weasel out of it makes you look worse. I said he was brought in to play on the 4th line and showed several articles that backed up my statement. Your comments about him not staying on the 4th line further my point and not yours. You have guys of that level on your 4th lines JUST so that you DO have the capability to move them up when needed due to injury. That happened with Higgins and that is why we went farther in the playoffs. If our 4th line was a bunch of plugs that can't play bigger roles when needed, we don't go on a long playoff run, Have you noticed how much worse our playoff success has been since we didn't have that depth? That is what we need to fix. LOL I love how you quoted only certain portions of my post without the actual link and numbers. Give your head a shake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien37 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 So soon you all forget. Higgins was a 3rd liner in the 2011 playoffs and he was brought in because of how shaky Mason Raymond was. Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen Glass-Hodgson-Oreskovich Tambellini Make sure to tell that to Provost because he is convinced that Higgins was brought in to be a 4th liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Make sure to tell that to Provost because he is convinced that Higgins was brought in to be a 4th liner.Oh, make no mistake. He started there for a couple games. Some injuries happened. Higgins contributed and moved up pretty quickly. And I had to edit the above because I forgot Torres was still on the team. Higgins is better than Glass and Torres though, so end of story there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayRayDown Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 So soon you all forget. Higgins was a 3rd liner in the 2011 playoffs and he was brought in because of how shaky Mason Raymond was. Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen Glass-Hodgson-Oreskovich Tambellini Injuries and suspensions happened. A healthy Torres-Malhottra-Hansen line would be the 3rd line You don't even have Torres in that lineup... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangerines Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Kelcey Brade @ctv_kelcey 7m #Canucks will officially name Willie Desjardins as new head coach either Monday or Tuesday. My money is on tomorrow. @CTVVancouverhttps://twitter.com/ctv_kelcey/statu...35629530746880 Dan Murphy @sportsnetmurph 13s Sounds like Vancouver #canucks will announce Willie Desjardins as the 18th head coach in franchise history on Monday. #bookithttps://twitter.com/sportsnetmurph/s...40134330683392 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Injuries and suspensions happened. A healthy Torres-Malhottra-Hansen line would be the 3rd line You don't even have Torres in that lineup...Would have been. Higgins was brought in for the playoffs, yes? And if you didn't notice, I added Torres cuz I realized I forgot him. Still doesn't change the fact Higgy was better than Torres and Glass. He started on the 4th line because he was getting over a thumb injury, himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zombieksa Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Daniel-Henrik-Burrows Mayray-Kesler-Samuelsson Torres-Malhottra-Hansen Higgins-Lapierre-Glass (If I remember right) Were the lines after the trade so he was brought in to play on the 4th Yup. Then Malhotra went down Torres - Lapierre - Hansen Higgins - Bolduc - Glass And then Samuelsson went down.. Higgins - Kesler - Mayray Torres - Lapierre - Hansen Glass - Bolduc - Tambellini And then May ray went down..... and that is how you end up with ... Sedin - Sedin - Burrows Higgins - Kesler - Tambellini Torres - Lapierre - Hansen Glass - Hodgson/Bolduc - Oreskovich ... Sigh.. Such a good group of guys.. now I am sad. Stupid Bruins. So sad that Oreskovich played 19 playoff games that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Make sure to tell that to Provost because he is convinced that Higgins was brought in to be a 4th liner. I accept your apology, we are all fallible. In this case it happened to be you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rypien37 Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I accept your apology, we are all fallible. In this case it happened to be you. Are you actually that sad? You ignore my posts that bring up a point and delete portions of a quote that bring up valid facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MayRayDown Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Would have been. Higgins was brought in for the playoffs, yes? And if you didn't notice, I added Torres cuz I realized I forgot him. Still doesn't change the fact Higgy was better than Torres and Glass. He started on the 4th line because he was getting over a thumb injury, himself. Higgins wouldn't of replaced Torres on that line. Torres-Malhottra-Hansen played great that year and they meshed together. AV wouldn't of been dumb enough to break up that line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 So soon you all forget. Higgins was a 3rd liner in the 2011 playoffs and he was brought in because of how shaky Mason Raymond was. Higgins-Lapierre-Hansen Torres-Hodgson-Glass Tambellini Oreskovich Our second line in the finals was: Higgins-Kesler-Tambellini Higgins is a top 9'forward For sure, a checking line winger with some offensive capabilities, perfect for slottig in too 6 in a jam from injuries. Provost was just showing a lineup With 4 lines for depth, it's not like Higgins was a 4th liner in tht proposal was more of 2 3rd lines. We need a 4 line team desperately I think it will help with travel fatigue as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Sounds great but I think if we are trading Kess we would want to know what we get back first and then go after whomever,but at the same time I want a top 6 player to play with the twins!!!I also want to see Gaunce and Fox to get 9 games!I suspect that if Kesler is dealt it will happen prior to draft week. As you suggest Benning has to know where he stands on that issue prior to drafting. I am starting to wonder if the Vancouver talks withKesler are including a contract extension. If Kesler had asked for a trade but is now dealing with knew management can they risk mending fences without an extension? Kesler could still walk as a UFA in twoyears. At some point the org has to realize value on vets who could bring back value to the org. Intypical Naslund fashion he waffled on his hockey future and instead of Van getting a 3rd rounder orbetter he walked to the NYR as a UFA. The Canucks simply cannot afford this type of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Our second line in the finals was: Higgins-Kesler-Tambellini Higgins is a top 9'forward For sure, a checking line winger with some offensive capabilities, perfect for slottig in too 6 in a jam from injuries. Provost was just showing a lineup With 4 lines for depth, it's not like Higgins was a 4th liner in tht proposal was more of 2 3rd lines. We need a 4 line team desperately I think it will help with travel fatigue as well Pretty much yep on all points. It think a lot of folks have quickly forgotten what it is like to have 4 contributing lines. The two bottom lines actually have similar ice time on many teams, with pairs out of them having extra time on special teams. Also the exact issue that Rypien37 had was that I had mentioned Higgins had originally been brought in for the 4th line. That is just true and there is lots of backup evidence for that. He was brought into that role because the team KNOWS that they will have injuries and attrition over the season and playoffs and they want additional players who can play higher up in the lineup. Rypien37 simply does not seem to get the concept of depth so I am not going to waste my time trying to explain basics to him. We haven't been able to roll 4 lines since 2011 when we had enough capable players. It makes it wicked hard on the opposition when you can. There are also few games where you have your full roster playing due to injuries. I even pointed out in my post what that lineup would easily turn into in a realistic scenario (one top 6 injury and one rookie being demoted because of not being ready). Higgins moved into the top 9 pretty quickly. It is the same reason we want 8 capable NHL defencemen in the organization. As we have seen every year, all 8 of them are expected to play top 4 minutes at some point due to injuries. If you have so little depth that Corrado is in your lineup as of opening night, then where to you turn when you have injuries? Sure he is probably a capable 6th D... but is is way better as an organization to have him available as an injury call up that can actually do the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 Higgins wouldn't of replaced Torres on that line. Torres-Malhottra-Hansen played great that year and they meshed together. AV wouldn't of been dumb enough to break up that lineI agree. AV wouldn't have broken up that line and yes, we needed to be 4 lines deep. I still believe Higgins was brought in because Raymond was oh so shaky and for depth. Then injuries came along and changed his role. But yes, he started on that line. I think the point that was trying to be made in all this was nobody really expected Higgins to stay in the 4th line role for very long. I knew the moment he was acquired from Florida that he would eventually slot in beside Kes. The makeshift 3rd line was a bit of a surprise, but it was to everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Strome Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 I came in to check the latest rumour round up only to find a argument about Higgins spot on the team 3 seasons ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 According to Jeremy Rutherford, it’s unlikely the Blues re-sign any of their own pending UFAs until after July 1st. Their UFAs include: Steve Ott, Brenden Morrow, Derek Roy, Carlo Colaiacovo and Ryan Miller. Pending RFAs that don’t have any deals imminent include: Vladimir Sobotka, Patrik Berglund and Jaden Schwartz. “Our payroll has consistently climbed due to the success of our team. Right now we have enough dollars to make it, (but) we’re going to sign all of our restricted free agents. So that pushes you to an area where you want to make sure if you’re going to get into the free-agent pool, you have the cap space and dollar space to do that.” The Blues sit about $49.3 million with 18 players signed. They have a bonus overage penalty of about $700,000. Blues GM Doug Armstrong hopes to get a deal done with Steve Ott before July 1st, but there is no guarantee they can get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 According to Fluto Shinzawa of the Boston Globe, the Penguins could look at pending UFA Manny Malhotra to fill out their bottom-six. He’d be a good fourth line center to kill penalties and to be a faceoff specialist. The Bruins have until June 30th to qualify Jordan Caron. If they qualify him, they could look at moving him, as a split could be best for both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Vintage Canuck- Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 According to Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal: (Oilers GM Craig MacTavish Q & A) Q: About that No. 3 pick? You’re not of a mind to give it up, are you? What about moving up to No. 1? A: There will be some interesting discussions. I’m not sure where that’s all going to go. This year, you certainly don’t know who’s going to be the best player. Nobody’s clearly ahead of the others. There’s arrogance if you think that’s the case. There’s going to be a positional bias with teams. It’ll be a positional determination for any team in the top four or maybe five. Our need is defencemen and centremen, but not necessarily in that order. We’ll get one of those needs satisfied at this draft.” MacTavish said that Sam Gagner hasn’t asked for a trade. Added they need a blueliner that can go north-south with the puck. Their blueline as a whole needs to move the puck better. The Oilers are without a second and third round pick, and MacTavish would be surprised if he could add one, “The value of draft choices at the trade deadline is at the bottom. At the draft, the value is high.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted June 23, 2014 Share Posted June 23, 2014 According to Jim Matheson of the Edmonton Journal: (Oilers GM Craig MacTavish Q & A) Q: About that No. 3 pick? You’re not of a mind to give it up, are you? What about moving up to No. 1? A: There will be some interesting discussions. I’m not sure where that’s all going to go. This year, you certainly don’t know who’s going to be the best player. Nobody’s clearly ahead of the others. There’s arrogance if you think that’s the case. There’s going to be a positional bias with teams. It’ll be a positional determination for any team in the top four or maybe five. Our need is defencemen and centremen, but not necessarily in that order. We’ll get one of those needs satisfied at this draft.” MacTavish said that Sam Gagner hasn’t asked for a trade. Added they need a blueliner that can go north-south with the puck. Their blueline as a whole needs to move the puck better. The Oilers are without a second and third round pick, and MacTavish would be surprised if he could add one, “The value of draft choices at the trade deadline is at the bottom. At the draft, the value is high.” LOL it obviously is in that order, MacT, you ain't foolin' nobody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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