Canuck Surfer Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Do you guys think Johnny Hockey would produce if he was thrown in Edmonton? Not trying to question the guy's talent (because he's got plenty), but I wonder. Maybe less. Calgary has such dynamite productivity from Brodie, Giordano, Russell and suddenly Wideman again who has re-bought in. That back end helps the front end so much and is non existent in Edmonton. Calgary has also had Hudler, now Colburne as an option so guys like Monahan and Johnny hockey have a buffer not afforded RNH and DRaisaitl. But Gaudreau would still be effective. Frack he's exciting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Calgary has such dynamite productivity from Brodie, Giordano, Russell and suddenly Wideman again who has re-bought in. That back end helps the front end so much and is non existent in Edmonton. Calgary has also had Hudler, now Colburne as an option so guys like Monahan and Johnny hockey have a buffer not afforded RNH and DRaisaitl. And very much missed somewhere else, too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustapha Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Eventually an opposing coach will figure out they will need to do something about Johnny Hockey. I am sure someone like John Scott, Matt Cooke or Zac Rinaldo will try to put that kid's head into the boards. Unfortunately it has happened to players like him far too often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuckyLuciano Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Eventually an opposing coach will figure out they will need to do something about Johnny Hockey. I am sure someone like John Scott, Matt Cooke or Zac Rinaldo will try to put that kid's head into the boards. Unfortunately it has happened to players like him far too often. Many players have tried already and failed early on, but yeah playoffs if ever could be a rough ride for the kid. People who followed his college career knew this kid was the real deal, but I don't think many expected him to be doing this well. This guy could very well be a 100 point plus player in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALGARY! Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 I was worried about his size( Gaudreu) but the more the season progesses the less I worry about it, in fact im not worried at all. He plays such a smart game that he rarely puts himself in a postion where he could be seriously hurt, of course you can't plan for the radicals(Matt Cooke, Avery) etc who will blindside you 100 feet away from the play just because... In other Flames news I heard Sam Bennet is skating this week. Wonder what they'll do with him, I know he made the team out of training camp, but I wonder now, if they won't send him back to the O for conditioning the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_fo_life Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Flames lose another :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted January 8, 2015 Author Share Posted January 8, 2015 Flames lose another :D And yet they're defensive cohesiveness no matter the injuries keeps them competitive unlike the Oilers who just can't get cohesive at any level. I didn't realize what a difference Hiller would make in Calgary. Another huge factor in Edmonton.Goal tending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 And yet they're defensive cohesiveness no matter the injuries keeps them competitive unlike the Oilers who just can't get cohesive at any level. I didn't realize what a difference Hiller would make in Calgary. Another huge factor in Edmonton.Goal tending. I'd actually disagree with that. Seems like scrivens and fasth are facing a ton more shots than the competition and a lot of higher quality chances. They have been keeping edmonton in some of these games that they otherwise have no business being into ot. Not saying it's Stanley Cup caliber but it's been a heck of a lot better than the forwards group has been at scoring and the defence group at keeping the puck out of their own end. They need a #1 d man and real good shutdown center more than a new goalie anyways imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks_fo_life Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Panthers 6 Flames 5 - Final , 3 straight losses now heading on the road for 5 vs Pacific Division opponents. Battle of the crappy goaltenders, and Hiller won crappiest goalie of the evening award. Panthers played last night and still lit that goof up Thankgod Benning chose to sign Miller over Hiller this past summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BanTSN Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Not sure how the Flames let Florida score 6 when they played us just the night before. So much suck there. Hopefully they bring a better game against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Calgary is no good and Edmonton dummies Chicago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted January 10, 2015 Share Posted January 10, 2015 Not sure how the Flames let Florida score 6 when they played us just the night before. So much suck there. Hopefully they bring a better game against us. Did you see how we played against FLA... Such a pathetic game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 I'd actually disagree with that. Seems like scrivens and fasth are facing a ton more shots than the competition and a lot of higher quality chances. They have been keeping edmonton in some of these games that they otherwise have no business being into ot. Not saying it's Stanley Cup caliber but it's been a heck of a lot better than the forwards group has been at scoring and the defence group at keeping the puck out of their own end. They need a #1 d man and real good shutdown center more than a new goalie anyways imo. What have you been watching? Edmonton's goal tending is a huge problem. I bet if they had Calgary's goalies they'd have a far better record. Look at Edmonton's GA. Stats don't lie. I think an even bigger factor is the management and it's clear ineptness. Loosing so many games has effected their young core on a confidence level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CALGARY! Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Not sure how the Flames let Florida score 6 when they played us just the night before. So much suck there. Hopefully they bring a better game against us. They did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 They did Hardly. The flames played pretty poor, it's just the Canucks were worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 What have you been watching? Edmonton's goal tending is a huge problem. I bet if they had Calgary's goalies they'd have a far better record. Look at Edmonton's GA. Stats don't lie. I think an even bigger factor is the management and it's clear ineptness. Loosing so many games has effected their young core on a confidence level. I think your right about the management for sure. I'm also not saying they have great goal tending. I'm saying they have bigger problems in other spots. The team can't play defense and they have no players that can play a defensive role well. If you give them a Kesler or Bergeron and a reasonably good defenceman like Hamhuis or Bowmeester they would make a much bigger difference than say the Oilers signing Hiller instead of trading for Fasth and Scrivens. It doesn't really make much difference how good your goalie is when you give up 10+ odd man rushes and breakaways per game. When your being out shot 40-20 on a regular basis. If you are matching Drisaitl against Koptiar or trying to shut down Getzlaf and Perry with Justin Schultz, goaltending isn't as much of a factor. The quality of the chances they give up per game is much higher than average because they can't keep players to the outside and they give up a much higher average number of shots. They also give up a lot more chances in the defensive end because they don't have a strong face off center. It would make a difference if they had a Price or Quick or Rinne, but none of those type goalies are available for trades without a massive overpayment that the Oilers can't afford and they don't come up in free agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 That's 3 for 3 against the Western Canadian teams for Florida. Remember when that was actually a tough road trip for teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted January 12, 2015 Author Share Posted January 12, 2015 I think your right about the management for sure. I'm also not saying they have great goal tending. I'm saying they have bigger problems in other spots. The team can't play defense and they have no players that can play a defensive role well. If you give them a Kesler or Bergeron and a reasonably good defenceman like Hamhuis or Bowmeester they would make a much bigger difference than say the Oilers signing Hiller instead of trading for Fasth and Scrivens. It doesn't really make much difference how good your goalie is when you give up 10+ odd man rushes and breakaways per game. When your being out shot 40-20 on a regular basis. If you are matching Drisaitl against Koptiar or trying to shut down Getzlaf and Perry with Justin Schultz, goaltending isn't as much of a factor. The quality of the chances they give up per game is much higher than average because they can't keep players to the outside and they give up a much higher average number of shots. They also give up a lot more chances in the defensive end because they don't have a strong face off center. It would make a difference if they had a Price or Quick or Rinne, but none of those type goalies are available for trades without a massive overpayment that the Oilers can't afford and they don't come up in free agency. When I think of Swiss cheese I think of Edmonton, referring to your holes in Edmonton's line up.I'm not disagreeing with giving up odd man rushes. I"d like to know what that stat is compared to the rest of the league.During last nights Edmonton game the commentator mentioned how Schrivens was hot, working on his third win in a row for the season. Now that's a hot streak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aqua59 Posted January 18, 2015 Author Share Posted January 18, 2015 I watched parts of the Edmonton/Florida match up how boring. Two dull teams in an almost empty arena. Edmonton has a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
420since1974 Posted January 20, 2015 Share Posted January 20, 2015 What have you been watching? Edmonton's goal tending is a huge problem. I bet if they had Calgary's goalies they'd have a far better record. Look at Edmonton's GA. Stats don't lie. I think an even bigger factor is the management and it's clear ineptness. Loosing so many games has effected their young core on a confidence level. Edmonton does need a #1 goalie. Unfortunately, they need a Top 2 defense pairing more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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