inane Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 At least the right person got shot, and not some innocent bystander. That type of carelessness is outrageous. The right person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyledude Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 The right person? Yes, the careless gun owner - versus some other innocent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 Yes, the careless gun owner - versus some other innocent. There's no right person, it's all so stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 What went on at Sandy Hook and Aurora has no bearing on this particular conversation. But that said, I'd rather be shot than stabbed. Period. I was shot in a minor hunting accident once, obviously didn't die.... Say you didn't die from being shot....Any idea how much easier it is to treat a gunshot would as opposed to a knife wound? If someone wants to do another person harm, the possession or lack of possession of a firearm isn't going to be the difference maker. Anyway, that wasn't my point. What I should have said is based on availability and the criteria that needs to be met to acquire a firearm, a knife is by far more dangerous, IN THIS COUNTRY, which is what I thought the topic was anyway. I supposed it all depends on the situation in question. A gun in the wrong hands is bad news, but Canada does a far better job of keeping them out of the wrong hands. It depends on what you consider "this particular conversation". If you're talking about the thread in general and it's question of whether one has the right to bear arms, I'd agree. However, I wasn't addressing that point at all. I was addressing your claim that someone can do "as much (or more) damage with a steak knife as they can with a gun". It's a ridiculous assertion and I called you on it. The incidents at Sandy Hook and Aurora are merely examples that I used to show how wrong your statement was. What's irrelevant to the conversation is your preference of being shot as opposed to being stabbed. The fact remains that are firearm is capable of far more damage than is a knife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William_Clarkson Posted December 30, 2014 Share Posted December 30, 2014 http://abcnews.go.com/US/woman-shot-killed-year-walmart/story?id=27907997 Feeling safe... She knew she had a gun in her purse and she had it near her child. That's her fault, not the guns fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 She knew she had a gun in her purse and she had it near her child. That's her fault, not the guns fault. No gun. No dead mom. Hopefully the child lives to prove a smarter human than its mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William_Clarkson Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 No gun. No dead mom. What's your point? No cigarettes, no lung cancer. No unhealthy food, no diabetes. No cars, no one dying from car accidents. Can't just ban everything because of some idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What's your point? No cigarettes, no lung cancer. No unhealthy food, no diabetes. No cars, no one dying from car accidents. Can't just ban everything because of some idiots. Well my point is. It's obvious that more discretion could have been used in this situation. Why does one feel so threatened as to bring a gun shopping within reach of a child. I don't understand the mindset. I'm not against gun ownership however I'm glad the laws are different in Canada. But you have to wonder what society would be like with guns illegaliZed. At the very least, this child would have a mother still and live his life without the weight of this tragedy. And really; cigarettes as a comparison? Arguably one of the stupidest consumables of all time. And diabetes/diet won't orphan a child in the blink of an eye....but to humour you, I see where you're going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I stopped reading when he started whining about being afraid of guns. The only reason people fear things is becaus they don't understand them. Guns, gays, drugs, spiders, even a human with a diffirent skin colour, all these things are feared by people who don't know any better. That's enough of this place for today, as if my head didn't hurt enough as it is... Hilarious. I was in the infantry for 3 years. Fairly certain I have fired off more rounds than 99% per cent of the population. I'm not "afraid of guns", as you put it. I'm concerned with morons who have guns in their hands. Understand the difference? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What's your point? No cigarettes, no lung cancer. No unhealthy food, no diabetes. No cars, no one dying from car accidents. Can't just ban everything because of some idiots. No one is advocated the cease of market trading. That is the absurd parallel you're attempting to draw. Give it a rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William_Clarkson Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 No one is advocated the cease of market trading. That is the absurd parallel you're attempting to draw. Give it a rest. My response was saying how if she didn't own a gun, she wouldn't die. However, there's a lot of products (not just guns, which is also a method of self defense) you can stop selling that would lead to less people dying from said product. That's the parallel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inane Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 My response was saying how if she didn't own a gun, she wouldn't die. However, there's a lot of products (not just guns, which is also a method of self defense) you can stop selling that would lead to less people dying from said product. That's the parallel. And we do with lots of other products, so why shouldn't we with guns? At least seriously restrict? Again, I don't get what makes guns so special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 And we do with lots of other products, so why shouldn't we with guns? At least seriously restrict? Again, I don't get what makes guns so special. In case you weren't aware in Canada guns are seriously restricted. Individuals that are at least 18 years old must pass safety course and then submit an application with references to be considered. Once the RCMP have done your background checks they also interview the references over the phone ect. It takes on average about 6 months for the whole process to be completed. The government / rcmp have a huge list of guns that are prohibited and are illegal in Canada. As well as a huge list of guns that are considered restricted. Restricted guns are only available to people who pass an extra safety course and even more subjective background checks. If if your recently divorced or claimed bankruptcy or have history if mental illness you will be denied for sure, you can even be denied if someone has pressed charges against you and you are still proven innocent in court. These restricted guns are only allowed to be used in licensed ranges or clubs and you have to apply to your provinces cfo for a permit to transport them. All guns in Canada are restricted to meet a minimum lengths, magazine sizes, and are not allowed certain accessories like silencers and certain types of ammunition. The thing is that guns are actually one of the most restricted things in the country. People that have guns in Canada do so because they have earned that privilege, not because it's a right. It's also quite hard to get a gun legally, as the waiting period for someone who hasn't been licensed is quite a long time. It's much different in Canada than the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonLever Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I find it funny, that no one questions getting a drivers licence, insurance, and registration and plates for a car. But try in the US to put the same things on firearms everyone goes nuts. Registration of guns certainly did not help the victims of the Edmonton mass killings yesterday. It did not prevent the deaths, it only help the cops trace the gun. From the CBC: The gun used in the slaying was registered in British Columbia in 1997 and stolen from Surrey in 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Yes to STRICT guncontrol. I think back to the 1989 Mtl tech school shooting(Lepine?). Where the whacko targeted young ladies. Conneticut elementary school. Korean student at Virg Tech. Columbine. Colorado movie Theatre. John Lennon. Just shoot me before I read tomorrow's papers, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocivus Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I'm cleaning my AR15 (yes, that evil black rifle), my Glock 34 and my Mossberg shotgun from my 3-gun match and getting some much needed comic relief from this thread. The smell of CLP, steel and spent powder is invigorating. You all can protect your house with an ADT so when the police arrive they can investigate the murders and call the coroner to clean up the mess. I'll protect myself and my loved ones with my 2nd Amendment held in that old, crusty Bill of Rights that us yanks have. I ABSOLUTELY have a right to bear arms because I have an ABSOLUTE right to defend myself. When will the gunaphobes realize that criminals don't respect laws even if you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseupsucker Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Man, I've never understood this bravado about feeling secure all armed up to whatever. If someone REALLY wanted to take someone out who is armed, it really wouldn't be that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lockout Casualty Posted December 31, 2014 Author Share Posted December 31, 2014 I'm cleaning my AR15 (yes, that evil black rifle), my Glock 34 and my Mossberg shotgun from my 3-gun match and getting some much needed comic relief from this thread. The smell of CLP, steel and spent powder is invigorating. You all can protect your house with an ADT so when the police arrive they can investigate the murders and call the coroner to clean up the mess. I'll protect myself and my loved ones with my 2nd Amendment held in that old, crusty Bill of Rights that us yanks have. I ABSOLUTELY have a right to bear arms because I have an ABSOLUTE right to defend myself. When will the gunaphobes realize that criminals don't respect laws even if you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What's your point? No cigarettes, no lung cancer. No unhealthy food, no diabetes. No cars, no one dying from car accidents. Can't just ban everything because of some idiots. No-one is suggesting an outright ban on guns. What we are suggesting is some common sense restrictions. Cigarettes are subject to restrictions, as is driving. Many of us feel that not allowing people to carry concealed, loaded weapons in public is one such common sense solution and it is an absolute fact that had this woman not done so, she would be alive today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I'm cleaning my AR15 (yes, that evil black rifle), my Glock 34 and my Mossberg shotgun from my 3-gun match and getting some much needed comic relief from this thread. The smell of CLP, steel and spent powder is invigorating. You all can protect your house with an ADT so when the police arrive they can investigate the murders and call the coroner to clean up the mess. I'll protect myself and my loved ones with my 2nd Amendment held in that old, crusty Bill of Rights that us yanks have. I ABSOLUTELY have a right to bear arms because I have an ABSOLUTE right to defend myself. When will the gunaphobes realize that criminals don't respect laws even if you do? When will you realize that statistics show that a family member is more likely to die as a result of you exercising your 2nd amendment rights, than is a "criminal". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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