Sean Monahan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Some players develop class and character after enduring adversity I reiterate Kessel will outscore the Sedins significantly over the next 3+ years... he was prominent against Chara and the Bruins in the Leafs only recent playoff appearance...the Sedins weren't prominent against the same Bruins in 2011 Add Phaneuf as a second pairing D man with less pressure on him and Doug Lidster to coach him...Oh boy I sure as hell hope he'll out score them, he's in the prime of his career while they're in the twilight of theirs. I looked at it the other day and he had something like 11 points since New Years, and about a quarter of those were second assists that he couldn't avoid despite his best efforts. Kessel, while supremely talented, is also supremely selfish, unmotivated, immature, etc. obviously we don't know him personally but it's not unfair to draw those conclusions based on these last couple of months. Regardless of how bad his team is there's just no way he should be scoring at such a pathetic rate for a player of his skill level. Crosby scored 100 points as an 18 year old on a bad team. Yeah it's Crosby but he was also just 18, Phildo needs to give his dam head a shake. One issue is, why should he when he's already got so much money and term guaranteed to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickels555 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I would make this trade in a second...and I am a huge fan of Daniel and Henrik. This team is never going to reach the goal of a Stanley Cup with the Sedins eating up 14 million of Cap space. They are basically untradeable at this point... Both Kessel and Phanuef would fetch a lot more on the trade market...possibly 1-2 1st rounders. Flipping the Sedins for these 2 Leafs, and then moving them for picks/prospects would make the future unbelievably bright for this franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I would make this trade in a second...and I am a huge fan of Daniel and Henrik. This team is never going to reach the goal of a Stanley Cup with the Sedins eating up 14 million of Cap space. They are basically untradeable at this point... Both Kessel and Phanuef would fetch a lot more on the trade market...possibly 1-2 1st rounders. Flipping the Sedins for these 2 Leafs, and then moving them for picks/prospects would make the future unbelievably bright for this franchise. Both of them have seen their reputations and trade values take a beating this year. If that's your plan with them you're probably just as well off trading the twins directly. I won't even entertain the thought of trading our franchise cornerstones for these clowns anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I would be ok getting Phaneuf if it would be a requirement for his wife Elisha to attend every home game I would definitely trade our 2069 1st for that babe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Both of them have seen their reputations and trade values take a beating this year. If that's your plan with them you're probably just as well off trading the twins directly. I won't even entertain the thought of trading our franchise cornerstones for these clowns anyway. Kessel and Phaneuf wouldn't give back as much to the community as the Sedins have. They'd be hated for the rest of their tenure here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I would definitely trade our 2069 1st for that babe.haha I see what you did there. I agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyndall2 Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Why would you want two over paid whiners on your team? Plus these two guys are not team players at all. When things get tough they disappear (on ice performance). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Why would you want two over paid whiners on your team? Plus these two guys are not team players at all. When things get tough they disappear (on ice performance). We should just sweep this proposal under the troll rug and forget it ever happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassetgreg Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 I sure as hell hope he'll out score them, he's in the prime of his career while they're in the twilight of theirs. I looked at it the other day and he had something like 11 points since New Years, and about a quarter of those were second assists that he couldn't avoid despite his best efforts. Kessel, while supremely talented, is also supremely selfish, unmotivated, immature, etc. obviously we don't know him personally but it's not unfair to draw those conclusions based on these last couple of months. Regardless of how bad his team is there's just no way he should be scoring at such a pathetic rate for a player of his skill level. Crosby scored 100 points as an 18 year old on a bad team. Yeah it's Crosby but he was also just 18, Phildo needs to give his dam head a shake. One issue is, why should he when he's already got so much money and term guaranteed to him? Yes they're in the prime of their careers! Yes there is no way Kessel should be scoring at the pathetic rate he is. and there is no way the Sedins should have scored at the pathetic rate they did last year under Torts ....yet this year with a new coach and team philosophy from the new mgmt team...the Sedins have regained some of their form...but not all of it How would Phaneuf & Kessel perform with a new opportunity? I think they would have career years Buy Low Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Yes they're in the prime of their careers! Yes there is no way Kessel should be scoring at the pathetic rate he is. and there is no way the Sedins should have scored at the pathetic rate they did last year under Torts ....yet this year with a new coach and team philosophy from the new mgmt team...the Sedins have regained some of their form...but not all of it How would Phaneuf & Kessel perform with a new opportunity? I think they would have career years Buy Low There's no way I'm willing to take that risk on a change of character tho. If it's the same old Kessel the move would never be forgotten in vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassetgreg Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 There's no way I'm willing to take that risk on a change of character tho. If it's the same old Kessel the move would never be forgotten in vancouver. Bold moves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Bold moves If bold is the code name for stupid, I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 I would be ok getting Phaneuf if it would be a requirement for his wife Elisha to attend every home game By home game you mean in my home, then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassetgreg Posted March 17, 2015 Author Share Posted March 17, 2015 Imagine the uproar in Leaf Nation when Phaneuf passes the Stanley Cup to Kessel wearing a Canuck uniform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf smell Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Hell noWould you???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucksnhl Posted March 17, 2015 Share Posted March 17, 2015 Phaneuf is 29 Kessel is 27 Henrik & Daniel are 34 and in decline Are all you guys on crack??? You don't think Kessel & Phaneuf have something to prove Make this trade and they will both have career years as Canucks ....and we could make Eddie Lack our new captain Add a couple Leafs 1st round picks and you have a deal. If it's a straight up hockey trade, no way. You've made some strong points regarding their age. But if they don't have "career years", then we're screwed. Kessel's and/ Phaneuf's prime could end sooner than expected. The Sedins are more than just talented hockey players. The intangibles they bring to the table are much more valuable than what Kessel or Phaneuf bring. For example, the leadership and mentoring they do will impact how our up-and-coming prospects careers turn out. I don't think these guys can produce the same amount of positive vibes the Sedins give. It's definitely a high-risk high-reward type of trade for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassetgreg Posted March 18, 2015 Author Share Posted March 18, 2015 Add a couple Leafs 1st round picks and you have a deal. If it's a straight up hockey trade, no way. You've made some strong points regarding their age. But if they don't have "career years", then we're screwed. Kessel's and/ Phaneuf's prime could end sooner than expected. The Sedins are more than just talented hockey players. The intangibles they bring to the table are much more valuable than what Kessel or Phaneuf bring. For example, the leadership and mentoring they do will impact how our up-and-coming prospects careers turn out. I don't think these guys can produce the same amount of positive vibes the Sedins give. It's definitely a high-risk high-reward type of trade for both teams. Yes, it's definitely a high risk high reward (bold) move Unloading the Sedin X 2 contract is only possible if you take a whole bunch of $$ in return players from your trade partner Where are all those fans who say we can't win with the Sedins They are great players but, like Naslund before them, maybe they aren't winners Sedins play at a high level most of the time but can't seem to elevate to Conn Smythe levels like a Patrick Kane, Toews, or even T. Linden in '94 I think Kessel, surrounded with character players, can elevate I think Phaneuf, if coached well and played in the right situations can be a Beast I think teams know how to shut down the Sedins in playoff series situations Chara knows Doughty knows Keith and Seabrook know Kessel and Phaneuf will be very eager to show the league and the Leafs that they are not a Cancer = career years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think teams know how to shut down the Sedins in playoff series situations Chara knows Doughty knows Keith and Seabrook know Not really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thejazz97 Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I think teams know how to shut down the Sedins in playoff series situations Chara knows Doughty knows Keith and Seabrook know Yes. You just have to injure all their teammates. Even then, they came within one win of the Cup a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyhee Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 I don't want to see Kessel anywhere near a canucks uniform unless he's getting steamrolled by one... or perhaps on the backcheck trying to catch Hansen on a breakaway? Sorry, make that trying to catch anyone on a breakway. Class and character for whine and cheese. This. Plus the fittest guys on the team, year in and year out (Santorelli being the exception) for someone too tired to take full skating drills and unable to get back to backcheck. I'm with vancouvergrizzly not wanting Kessel on the Canucks. It's hard to imagine going from that good an example for the young players to such a bad example. Teaching the Canucks future core that a lack of fitness is ok, in fact worth $8 million a year for-well, almost forever, seems much worse to me than going with the twins, even as they age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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