US Declassifies Document Revealing Israel's Nuclear Program

[Webster6]

No country has it's hands clean. Some countries just have more geopolitical power because of accumulated influence, wealth, resources, technology etc. The problem is all governments operate like an organism trying to protect itself in spite of the others around it. So this idea of world peace isn't really possible between what has essentially become corporate entities fighting for geopolitical power and resources.

My thoughts are that we really don't even need elected officials to represent constituencies anymore, everyone can have a voice through the internet. Maybe our society isn't quite ready for that, but I see it going there. I just think having a singular head at the top representing an entire nation has become redundant and frankly ludicrous. Sure they have an entire administration but more often than not it's just a gang of criminals, regardless of the colours of the flag.

[ComptonCanuck]

obama is single handedly destroying the united states and severing all ties with other nations. idiot. anyone who voted for him is in fault too

[drummer4now]

No country has it's hands clean. Some countries just have more geopolitical power because of accumulated influence, wealth, resources, technology etc. The problem is all governments operate like an organism trying to protect itself in spite of the others around it. So this idea of world peace isn't really possible between what has essentially become corporate entities fighting for geopolitical power and resources.

My thoughts are that we really don't even need elected officials to represent constituencies anymore, everyone can have a voice through the internet. Maybe our society isn't quite ready for that, but I see it going there. I just think having a singular head at the top representing an entire nation has become redundant and frankly ludicrous. Sure they have an entire administration but more often than not it's just a gang of criminals, regardless of the colours of the flag.

So you want a band of trolls and neck beards deciding the policies of a country?

[Mongrel]

No country has it's hands clean. Some countries just have more geopolitical power because of accumulated influence, wealth, resources, technology etc. The problem is all governments operate like an organism trying to protect itself in spite of the others around it. So this idea of world peace isn't really possible between what has essentially become corporate entities fighting for geopolitical power and resources.

My thoughts are that we really don't even need elected officials to represent constituencies anymore, everyone can have a voice through the internet. Maybe our society isn't quite ready for that, but I see it going there. I just think having a singular head at the top representing an entire nation has become redundant and frankly ludicrous. Sure they have an entire administration but more often than not it's just a gang of criminals, regardless of the colours of the flag.

Would we have to elect representatives from 4chan, reddit and pornhub to speak on behalf of their peoples?

[Lancaster]

No disrespect to you or America, but did you just figure this out now?

Nope, just reiterating it.

[Lancaster]

I disagree...

Sure they have screwed over Canada (Keystone, etc..) and the European allies (spying), but their support for Israel and South Korea is still well above and beyond anyone in the international community is willing to offer..

If the US did not always protect Israel it would probably cease to exist and/or we would see a thorough investigation of its war crimes..

In the case of South Korea.. China and North Korea would have already annexed it if weren't for US troops being stationed at the DMZ, and the billions of dollars in aid the US provides to SK.

Sure, the US has troops in SK, but the speeches this current US administration gives whenever there are provocations are less than reassuring. Instead of just outright telling the North Koreans that they are messing with a power way beyond their comprehension, that the Americans can nuke North Korea into the ocean overnight if they wanted to and if push comes to shove.... they just keep saying how they will retaliate in a tic-for-tac fashion. Talk about lowering yourself to that level.

With Israel, it's obvious that Obama wants a regime change. Why else would they spend millions to try to get an Obama puppet in charge? Funding rebels groups in the region that's more than willing to attack Israel once their immediate conflict finishes...

[Webster6]

So you want a band of trolls and neck beards deciding the policies of a country?

Would we have to elect representatives from 4chan, reddit and pornhub to speak on behalf of their peoples?

I'm not sure how to structure it exactly either. I'm rather suggesting to have every person in the country vote on major issues through say.. a government assigned email for giving input to a collective hive-mind of the countries residents. For instance: voting on whether you want your country invading another... casting your vote on election day only goes so far.

Anyways, most people don't look this far out but soon enough the internet is something that will be downloaded into your consciousness. So we'll be able to telepathically communicate our ideas and beliefs to the collective consciousness.

Look I obviously don't have all the answers I'm just hypothesizing here, but the archaic alpha male system of looking to one singular leader for guidance has almost ran it's course. It's time to look at new ways of managing society. Because this one is tearing humanity apart due to digital banking in world with financially monopolized oligarchies running things in the shadows.

[Brick Tamland]

I'm not sure how to structure it exactly either. I'm rather suggesting to have every person in the country vote on major issues through say.. a government assigned email for giving input to a collective hive-mind of the countries residents. For instance: voting on whether you want your country invading another... casting your vote on election day only goes so far.

Anyways, most people don't look this far out but soon enough the internet is something that will be downloaded into your consciousness. So we'll be able to telepathically communicate our ideas and beliefs to the collective consciousness.

Look I obviously don't have all the answers I'm just hypothesizing here, but the archaic alpha male system of looking to one singular leader for guidance has almost ran it's course. It's time to look at new ways of managing society. Because this one is tearing humanity apart due to digital banking in world with financially monopolized oligarchies running things in the shadows.

Webster, you seem like a fairly smart fella. Do you really think the single elected official is running the show? The people with the most money behind them are running things.

The one person is just a face. Big business has been running things for decades.

[etsen3]

Believes in creationism.

I was just poking fun at him. His rants are music to my ears at times, although he does seem a little hasty and short sighted on a few issues where he wants to completely remove all funding over night. He was never going to become President though because it was a little too vocal on certain issues. That's why his son is a little more reserved.

Sums it up pretty well. Many of his ideas are completely unrealistic, although he is one of the few candidates that would represent a complete cultural shift in US politics and that's exactly what they need. That's also why he won't become president.

Regarding the creationism thing: unfortunately if you're running for US president, believing in creationism (or at least saying you do) is almost a requirement. If you're anything but a devout Christian, you might as well be the antichrist according to a large chunk of the population. In fact, there has actually been debate in certain circles over whether Obama is in fact, literally the antichrist.

[Webster6]

Webster, you seem like a fairly smart fella. Do you really think the single elected official is running the show? The people with the most money behind them are running things.

The one person is just a face. Big business has been running things for decades.

I get that he's a puppet. I Call Hillary Clinton the Senator from Lockheed Martin.

[Offensive Threat]

Anyone interested in this should google project flower , a joint military project that involved israel and iran trying to build a rocket that coulb be fitted with a nuclear warhead.

Project Flower was a scam job by Israel to get Iran to fund the project in Israel and then provide them only with outdated and inferior end products while keeping the next gen weapons for themselves.

[thejazz97]

Project Flower was a scam job by Israel to get Iran to fund the project in Israel and then provide them only with outdated and inferior end products while keeping the next gen weapons for themselves.

That's shrewd.

So you want a band of trolls and neck beards deciding the policies of a country?

I believe they're called neards.

[taxi]

Sums it up pretty well. Many of his ideas are completely unrealistic, although he is one of the few candidates that would represent a complete cultural shift in US politics and that's exactly what they need. That's also why he won't become president.

Regarding the creationism thing: unfortunately if you're running for US president, believing in creationism (or at least saying you do) is almost a requirement. If you're anything but a devout Christian, you might as well be the antichrist according to a large chunk of the population. In fact, there has actually been debate in certain circles over whether Obama is in fact, literally the antichrist.

Ron Paul was a fresh voice, but he is essentially a grumpy old man with a shot gun. In addition to his creationism beliefs, he also believes in totally private healthcare, education, etc...He is pro putting the Christian church back into every government forum and against any kind of restrictions on gun control. He's also called global warming a hoax and stated that private property rights are enough to enforce environmental regulation.

[drummer4now]

If Iran gets them, so will Saudi Arabia.

Well it looks like they already have some... and don't rule out building in the future

Saudi Arabia says it won't rule out building nuclear weapons

Saudi Arabia will not rule out building or acquiring nuclear weapons, the country’s ambassador to the United States has indicated.

Asked whether Saudi Arabia would ever build nuclear weapons in an interview with US news channel CNN, Adel Al-Jubeir said the subject was “not something we would discuss publicly”.

Pressed later on the subject he said: “This is not something that I can comment on, nor would I comment on.”

The ambassador’s reticence to rule out a military nuclear programme may reignite concerns that the autocratic monarchy has its eye on a nuclear arsenal.

Western intelligence agencies believe that the Saudi monarchy paid for up to 60% of Pakistan’s nuclear programme in return for the ability to buy warheads for itself at short notice, the Guardian newspaper reported in 2010.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-says-it-wont-rule-out-building-nuclear-weapons-10139229.html

[taxi]

Well it looks like they already have some... and don't rule out building in the future

Saudi Arabia says it won't rule out building nuclear weapons

Saudi Arabia will not rule out building or acquiring nuclear weapons, the country’s ambassador to the United States has indicated.

Asked whether Saudi Arabia would ever build nuclear weapons in an interview with US news channel CNN, Adel Al-Jubeir said the subject was “not something we would discuss publicly”.

Pressed later on the subject he said: “This is not something that I can comment on, nor would I comment on.”

The ambassador’s reticence to rule out a military nuclear programme may reignite concerns that the autocratic monarchy has its eye on a nuclear arsenal.

Western intelligence agencies believe that the Saudi monarchy paid for up to 60% of Pakistan’s nuclear programme in return for the ability to buy warheads for itself at short notice, the Guardian newspaper reported in 2010.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-says-it-wont-rule-out-building-nuclear-weapons-10139229.html

The whole issue of who actually has nuclear weapons is a lot more complicated than it seems.

Israel, Pakistan, India, North Korea, the UK, France, USA, China, and Russia all have them. However, there USA has also loaned nuclear weapons to: Belgium, Germany, Netherlands, Italy, and Turkey. Officially, these countries cannot arm them without proper codes from the USA.

On top of that there are various nuclear ready countries, who could build a bomb within a few months, or even weeks in some cases: Japan, Sweden, Taiwan, South Korea, Australia, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico..etc.....and Canada. All of these countries have the reactors, the technology, and the equipment to build one. They just haven't put the last final steps into putting one together, but could do so very quickly if they had to. They haven't done so largely due to their participation in the NPT.

It's likely that Iran is in that group of "nuclear ready" countries or heading there very quickly.

This is what makes the timing of this "leak" suspect. It happened before Netanyahu's re-election or speech before congress. So the "revenge" motive for Obama doesn't really fit. The leak also contained information specific to Israel's thermo-nuclear program, which states they are probably capable of Hydrogen bombs.

A small nuclear weapon would be devastating to a country like Israel, but would realistically only have the effect of leveling a few city blocks. For example, the bombs in Japan, which were dropped in high density areas, only killed 40-60k each. An H-Bomb, on the other hand, would level an entire city and result in casualties of 1mil+.

So maybe this "leak" is just part of the arms race. They've accepted that Iran is a nuclear power (or a nuclear ready nation), so in order to maintain the deterrent, they have leaked information about hydrogen bombs.

[Buddhas Hand]

Project Flower was a scam job by Israel to get Iran to fund the project in Israel and then provide them only with outdated and inferior end products while keeping the next gen weapons for themselves.

My enemy becomes my friend to pay for missiles for nukes that " I do not have " and after he has payed for them he becomes my enemy again and must not be allowed to have nukes himself ?

Yeah I get It.

[Brick Tamland]

My enemy becomes my friend to pay for missiles for nukes that " I do not have " and after he has payed for them he becomes my enemy again and must not be allowed to have nukes himself ?

Yeah I get It.

Brilliant, isn't it. I mean, who would fall for that other than crazy snackbars.

[RWMc1]

Everyone knew anyway didn't they???

This is dissappointing. Ever since Iraq, I thought that Bush managed to curtail all of the wippons of mass distrukshin worldwide. They've never been mentioned by the USA again. How is this possible??? Sarcasm.

[Kragar]

My thoughts are that we really don't even need elected officials to represent constituencies anymore, everyone can have a voice through the internet. Maybe our society isn't quite ready for that, but I see it going there. I just think having a singular head at the top representing an entire nation has become redundant and frankly ludicrous. Sure they have an entire administration but more often than not it's just a gang of criminals, regardless of the colours of the flag.

Nice in theory, but you have to look at the big picture. We the people do not have anywhere close to having all the information to make the right decisions, and we never will, even with the internet and sites like Wikileaks.

Same reason CDC is not the GM or coach for the Canucks. Some one needs to be responsible for those roles. Too many voices means no decisions get made in a timely manner.

If we were somehow able to get all this information, we would have to process it. Somehow, that sounds like more than a full-time job. Considering how apathetic voters are now, it would be worse when they actually have to put some work into it.

Yep, there are a bunch of criminals in the various governments, but it really could be worse.

[DarthNinja]

Brilliant, isn't it. I mean, who would fall for that other than crazy snackbars.

Far be it from me to intend to draw attention to your ignorance but at the time, Iran was under control of the Shah and they were fully backed by and allied with the US. The 'Islamic Revolution' in Iran would not happen until several years after.