Gurn Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 5 minutes ago, Drewismyname said: For what? Knowing how to argue without resorting to childish insults? If you think you're so right about Edler, try debating like an adult. You're proving you have no argument. I'm posting this because I love irony........ the above is a "childish insult". Pot and kettle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swizzey Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 On 2015-11-19, 9:50:54, Drewismyname said: As a long standing Canucks fan, I have witnessed, year in and year out, our playoff chances disintegrate. I have re-watched the past few years of this team's playoff failures, and believe a large percentage of the blame falls on the disinterested play of Alex Edler. I have argued this point, to the dismay of CDCers for years. The ousting of Roberto Luongo, the blaming of the Sedins for a lack of offense, all unwarranted. Almost every big turning point moment in the playoffs the Canucks have failed to stop their opponents, is highlighted by an absent minded Alexander Edler. This is not a troll post, nor is it a hate on for Edler. I simply think the Canucks would have done better without him. Remember to look at the score and consider the points in the series that these failures occur at. For The Record: November 22/15 vs Devils: On ice for 5/7 goals against Who accumulates clips over 5 years of a players career of everything bad/unfortunate they have done. Edler is a solid defenceman and you can do this for any single player in the league with enough games played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewismyname Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 4 minutes ago, swizzey said: You are such a loser! Who accumulates clips over 5 years of a players career of everything bad/unfortunate they have done. You have some serious problems dude. Get a life. Edler is a solid defenceman and you can do this for any single player in the league with enough games played. Get off CDC. Everything bad and unfortunate ? This was just his major playoff gaffs since 2011. I thought It proved a pretty valuable point. Also I was learning video editing and needed a topic. Edler losing games for us really stuck out in my mind so I went with it. Search "Jannik Stone hands Hansen" to see the other video I created. thanks for coming out though, oh and for resorting to personal insults. You're a great addition to the board man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead73 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Still think Elder is our best by a long shot. Does make mistakes as do a lot of players. I think the elder does or doesn't suck argument has been beaten to death on this thread so I won't bother adding more to it. As for Tanev being better I think is a bit of a stretch. Maybe if you feel a defense man should only contribute defense then ok you may have a point but that has no basis in reality to be honest Sure Tanev is safer. He plays conservative and is rarely out of position . But the flip side to that game is zero offense.. zero hitting and zero grit. If you had 6 tanev's you would lose alot of games because they cannot pass or shoot or anything but get it out of your zone for the most part and dump it in for a turn over. You need tanev types and elder types and sbisa types. Would it be nice to have a nicklaus lidstrom who never makes an error defensively and provides offense?too... yeah we can just trade elder for one right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewismyname Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 7 minutes ago, gurn said: I'm posting this because I love irony........ the above is a "childish insult". Pot and kettle. So, if someone is childish towards you, calling them out for it is also childish? Hmm. That makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 1 hour ago, J.R. said: I agree with everything you wrote there but $5m is not #1 money. He's paid at the #2 level he should be. That he isn't played as one due to a lack of better options is not his fault. Highly debatable. His caphit is #35 in the league (#1 on the Canucks) http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/cap-hit/defenseman/ Plus his actual salary this year is $6M (caphit $5M) Plus he has a NTC. This is where it gets subjective since we can't tell the $ value of a NTC. At least 5 defencemen above him on that list don't have a NMC or NTC http://www.thefourthperiod.com/no_trade_list.html (there is more than five but I stopped counting at Pietrangelo and Karlsson since we know for certain Edler is not at that level any way) All things being equal we take the NTC out of the equation he is top 30. That means he is getting paid #1 money. It also highly subjective using pay considering Keith is #20 on that list. Keith is easily considered top 10 in the league for defencemen. So as long as Edler is paid near the top 30 he is being paid like a #1. He is top 20 in ice time in the league. He gets the pay of a #1 and the icetime of a #1. He should play like a #1 but he is far from that. I have no arguments that there aren't better options (wth happened to Hamhuis?). But that means he should be showing more leadership and playing better on a consistent basis. Instead he flounders too often in the defensive zone, bobbles the puck, makes lousy passes and aims his shots right at shinpads. I know our d-corps needs a tonne of work. Hence why a rookie (Hutton) looks amazing. Or why an NHL call-up (Biega) looks impressive simply because he shows some drive. I would be quite happy if the rework of the d-corps started with Edler moving out. I really wished he was moved before that NTC kicked in but that ship has sailed. Instead I fully expect that I will continue to cringe while watching him play more often than not. Last night being a 'not' night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 3 minutes ago, Drewismyname said: So, if someone is childish towards you, calling them out for it is also childish? Hmm. That makes sense. This taken from the "Swedish Court thread' "Gurn feel free to send me a private message if you want to argue semantics. I will respond to that and have a decent response. But lets keep this thread about the topic and the ideas posted in the OP as opposed to arguing the language used by the posters. As per the board rules of course. Irony I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewismyname Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 Many D men have been moved with NTCs. I don't doubt Edler would go if he ceased to benefit from being gifted icetime with the Sedins. I wouldn't want to be moved either if I could ride Hank Sedins coat tails for years while not being held accountable because of my questionably meek personality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 15 minutes ago, Canucks Prophet said: 10 times out of 10, I keep Tanev over Edler. It's not even a question. I'd move Edler for Hamonic, 'keeping' Tanev. (Which would nicely bump Tanev to 2nd pair where he belongs). Even though I'd be 'keeping him over Edler', still doesn't make him a better D. It would simply improve our right D depth (and overall D makeup moving forward) while also bringing in a younger player. Overall skill/quality wise it's a largely lateral move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewismyname Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 5 minutes ago, gurn said: This taken from the "Swedish Court thread' "Gurn feel free to send me a private message if you want to argue semantics. I will respond to that and have a decent response. But lets keep this thread about the topic and the ideas posted in the OP as opposed to arguing the language used by the posters. As per the board rules of course. Irony I love it. So, calling out a poster for derailing the thread's topics is derailing the topic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 - there is no urgency in his game - he does not know how to use his frame - he's a giveaway machine - makes slow decisions - HIS SHOTS NEVER HIT THE NET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewismyname Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 2 minutes ago, asian player said: - there is no urgency in his game - he does not know how to use his frame - he's a giveaway machine - makes slow decisions - HIS SHOTS NEVER HIT THE NET - he should retire from professional sports and spend his millions on an enjoyable, relaxing, non threatening lifestyle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 "HIS SHOTS NEVER HIT THE NET " Must have been watching last nights game on the radio,. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 17 minutes ago, Shift-4 said: Highly debatable. His caphit is #35 in the league (#1 on the Canucks) http://www.spotrac.com/nhl/rankings/cap-hit/defenseman/ Plus his actual salary this year is $6M (caphit $5M) Plus he has a NTC. This is where it gets subjective since we can't tell the $ value of a NTC. At least 5 defencemen above him on that list don't have a NMC or NTC http://www.thefourthperiod.com/no_trade_list.html (there is more than five but I stopped counting at Pietrangelo and Karlsson since we know for certain Edler is not at that level any way) All things being equal we take the NTC out of the equation he is top 30. That means he is getting paid #1 money. It also highly subjective using pay considering Keith is #20 on that list. Keith is easily considered top 10 in the league for defencemen. So as long as Edler is paid near the top 30 he is being paid like a #1. He is top 20 in ice time in the league. He gets the pay of a #1 and the icetime of a #1. He should play like a #1 but he is far from that. I have no arguments that there aren't better options (wth happened to Hamhuis?). But that means he should be showing more leadership and playing better on a consistent basis. Instead he flounders too often in the defensive zone, bobbles the puck, makes lousy passes and aims his shots right at shinpads. I know our d-corps needs a tonne of work. Hence why a rookie (Hutton) looks amazing. Or why an NHL call-up (Biega) looks impressive simply because he shows some drive. I would be quite happy if the rework of the d-corps started with Edler moving out. I really wished he was moved before that NTC kicked in but that ship has sailed. Instead I fully expect that I will continue to cringe while watching him play more often than not. Last night being a 'not' night. That's nice and all but contracts can no longer be signed above 8 year terms and the cap (and hence salaries) continue to rise. In today's dollars/CBA, a #1D gets $7m+/year. I'll grant you that when he signed his current contract, it was arguably ~#1B money but it sure isn't anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 5 minutes ago, Drewismyname said: So, calling out a poster for derailing the thread's topics is derailing the topic? you seem to do a lot of editing of your posts, after someone has replied to your original post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drewismyname Posted December 4, 2015 Author Share Posted December 4, 2015 5 minutes ago, gurn said: "HIS SHOTS NEVER HIT THE NET " Must have been watching last nights game on the radio,. I'm currently debating about six different posters. My apologies. I'm not a very good multitasker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 5 minutes ago, J.R. said: That's nice and all but contracts can no longer be signed above 8 year terms and the cap (and hence salaries) continue to rise. In today's dollars/CBA, a #1D gets $7m+/year. I'll grant you that when he signed his current contract, it was arguably ~#1B money but it sure isn't anymore. That means there are only seven #1 defencemen in a 30 team league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 1 minute ago, Drewismyname said: I'm currently debating about six different posters. My apologies. I'm not a very good multitasker. It would appear so.... as the original quote was from Asian player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Just now, Shift-4 said: That means there are only seven #1 defencemen in a 30 team league That's probably not far off. Most teams don't have a true #1D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 4 minutes ago, J.R. said: That's probably not far off. You make no sense. Edit: Or maybe you are confusing elite with #1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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