PowerAids Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I thought Horvat looked solid tonight. Nothing too flashy but good positioning and sound play. And he seems to get better later in the game, which is good to see. Does anyone one if he makes the team, does it count as one of his 9 games if he doesn't dress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L. Stanley Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 it is time to make room for these young guys if I am willie, I have to tell Hansen and Matthias they risk losing their jobs if vey, jensen, shink, horvat continue to out play them by such a large margin. Burrows has been a little sleepy but he needs time to still be evaluated. Vey needs to work on his defence so I'd move him to the wing. sedin sedin vebrata Shink Bonino Vey Burrows Horvat Kassian Higgins Richardsson Dorsett yes, that 2nd line is green, but these guys are the top producers so far so they deserve a shot. Lots of youth in this group, good mix, 4 lines that can play. Jensen in Utica until he learns how to not take penalties 200 feet from his net Matthias or Hansen is traded along with Markstrom for picks, I don't care if we only get 3rd, 4th for Markstrom and Hansen. Get rid of useless cap. lets be honest, we got nothing for luongo, lets just trim the fat so they do not take up space our young players could benefit from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amitriptyline Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Shinkaruk, Vey and Horvat all deserve a spot. The team will be better by leaps and bounds if they do, mark my words. Get Hansen the hell off the team already. He is a waste of a spot that could go to one of those far more talented prospects. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiveEmTheCan Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 At his absolute worst, this guy reminds me of a mixture of Raffi Torres and Manny Malholtra with less offensive upside. If only he was 32 years old, past his prime, and didn't play with any heart, he'd fit right in on the Canucks roster. Maybe next year, Bo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niloc009 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I thought Horvat looked solid tonight. Nothing too flashy but good positioning and sound play. And he seems to get better later in the game, which is good to see. Does anyone one if he makes the team, does it count as one of his 9 games if he doesn't dress? To count towards their 9 games they need to be dressed. Scratched in the press box doesn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brbetts542 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 My opinion of Bo after a few pre season games is that he is losing the battle for any available roster spot. He is underperforming, but at the same time it is early and I believe he can pick it up notch or 3. I would love for him to make the team, but he first has to make the team. I hope he stops the slow motion toe drags sooner rather than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 My opinion of Bo after a few pre season games is that he is losing the battle for any available roster spot. He is underperforming, but at the same time it is early and I believe he can pick it up notch or 3. I would love for him to make the team, but he first has to make the team. I hope he stops the slow motion toe drags sooner rather than later. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 My opinion of Bo after a few pre season games is that he is losing the battle for any available roster spot. He is underperforming, but at the same time it is early and I believe he can pick it up notch or 3. I would love for him to make the team, but he first has to make the team. I hope he stops the slow motion toe drags sooner rather than later. Agreed. Don't know what either of you are talking about. He's winning faceoffs, well positioned, making plays and is showing flashes of moderate offense when opportunities arise. IMO, He's played on par with Richardson and Vey. Sedin, Sedin, Vrbata Burrows, Bonino, Vey Higgins, Horvat, Kassian Matthias, Richardson, Hansen/Dorsett Dorsett/Hansen Vey/Kas can swap as their play dictates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Don't know what either of you are talking about. He's winning faceoffs, well positioned, making plays and is showing flashes of moderate offense when opportunities arise. IMO, He's played on par with Richardson and Vey. Sedin, Sedin, Vrbata Burrows, Bonino, Vey Higgins, Horvat, Kassian Matthias, Richardson, Hansen/Dorsett Dorsett/Hansen Vey/Kas can swap as their play dictates. Based on the preseason so far, I'd be surprised if neither Jensen or Shinkaruk is on the opening day roster. Their waiver ineligibility makes them easy targets to send to Utica. But for a team that has notorious problems with secondary scoring, that is no doubt hoping for a good start to bring the fans back, leaving two of the best snipers on the farm team is going to be difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) He's not on par with Richardson or Vey imo. Vey brings a lot more offense, and Richardson is better on defense. Horvat is somewhere in the middle of the two, but he doesn't do anything exceptionally well at this point to justify being "on par" with either guys. Bo can play sound defense and sometimes contribute, but that slight increase in offense doesn't put him on par with a guy like Richardson who is better defensively and on faceoffs, and that slight increase on defense doesn't put him on par with a guy like Vey who brings speed and skill. Having Vey and Richardson center 3C and 4C gives us a better alternative where, if we're down by 1, we have the option of playing the offensive line with Vey more, or if we're up by 1, we have the option of playing the defensive line with Richardson more. Edited September 26, 2014 by Dasein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 IMO, He's played on par with Richardson and Vey. I think we'll have to agree to disagree there. I don't think he's close to either right now, and that's only because of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) He's not on par with Richardson or Vey imo. Vey brings a lot more offense, and Richardson is better on defense. Horvat is somewhere in the middle of the two, but he doesn't do anything exceptionally well at this point to justify being "on par" with either guys. Bo can play sound defense and sometimes contribute, but that slight increase in offense doesn't put him on par with a guy like Richardson who is better defensively and on faceoffs, and that slight increase on defense doesn't put him on par with a guy like Vey who brings speed and skill. Having Vey and Richardson center 3C and 4C gives us a better alternative where, if we're down by 1, we have the option of playing the offensive line with Vey more, or if we're up by 1, we have the option of playing the defensive line with Richardson more. Overall play level. As I said elsewhere: IMO Horvat's played on par with Richardson and Vey (Vey bringing more offense and speed, Horvat better D, size and faceoffs). Richardson brings more experience and perhaps a slight edge in faceoffs/d-play but less offense and size compared to Horvat. I'm not saying they bring the same tools I'm saying they're all at the ~ same play level with their own respective skill sets (from what we've seen so far anyway). Why not have all three on the team and utilize all of their talents...? Edited September 26, 2014 by J.R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Based on the preseason so far, I'd be surprised if neither Jensen or Shinkaruk is on the opening day roster. Their waiver ineligibility makes them easy targets to send to Utica. But for a team that has notorious problems with secondary scoring, that is no doubt hoping for a good start to bring the fans back, leaving two of the best snipers on the farm team is going to be difficult. Underlined is exactly why I see them going down. There has to be injuries and/or a trade IMO to make a spot for them and I would not be shocked at all to see one of our LW's traded at some point this season for just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 (edited) Wow I think people really overestimate Richardson here (why am I surprise i'm on CDC after all)?. Because Richardson was 55% on faceoff last since, you guys make him sound like he's better than Manny at it. Look back the past four years, Richardson was 48, 58, 50, 48. Nothing exceptionnal there, sub par 3 years, 1 good year and 1 slighty above average). He's nowhere near close to Manny as well as a third center on a contender (SC finalist). Yes he was ok last year, centering a 3rd line at the end where we were virtually eliminated and all the pressure was off, but before that he was our 4th line center with Santorelli healthy. Bo always dominated the faceoff at the junior and there was a question mark whether he could translate that to the NHL, unlike Hodgson who wasn't able to do it, so far at 60% in preseason is a really good indication, specially going against couture the other night. It's hard to judge exactly where is Horvat now defensively but he hasn't look out of place and it can only get better. If Horvat doesn't make the team it will be because Vey, Jensen really blew him out of the competition, otherwise Horvat needs to stick over guys like Hansen, Richardson, Matthias. (from what I saw so far, unless he really drop the ball in the rest of preseason). Edited September 26, 2014 by timberz21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Money Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Underlined is exactly why I see them going down. There has to be injuries and/or a trade IMO to make a spot for them and I would not be shocked at all to see one of our LW's traded at some point this season for just that. I see that happening sooner rather than later. Perhaps even just putting Sestito on waivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I see that happening sooner rather than later. Perhaps even just putting Sestito on waivers. I see Sestito on waivers regardless at this rate. If Sestito's even our 13th forward, that means none of Horvat, Shinkaruk or Jensen made the team. If they keep playing the way they have, at LEAST one of them is starting the season here. Bye Sestito. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Old Orca Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Can Horvat stay with the big club for the 9 games and then maybe the Canucks can work a deal with Mark Crawford and send him to Mark.s team in Switzerland and let him get that experience if he doesn.t shine good enough in his 9 games. Just a honest question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 I see Sestito on waivers regardless at this rate. If Sestito's even our 13th forward, that means none of Horvat, Shinkaruk or Jensen made the team. If they keep playing the way they have, at LEAST one of them is starting the season here. Bye Sestito. sestito is FROM utica, it's only natural he goes home to play this season. bye bye boxing hobo on skates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Can Horvat stay with the big club for the 9 games and then maybe the Canucks can work a deal with Mark Crawford and send him to Mark.s team in Switzerland and let him get that experience if he doesn.t shine good enough in his 9 games. Just a honest question No he would learn much more in the OHL than in Europe on a different ice, different philosophy. Then he has to readapt to North American hockey all over again. I don't get the non-sense of "Bo's too good for the OHL, can't learn anything else". Well if he's not good enough for the NHL, i'm pretty sure he still has some thing to learn in the CHL. Perry, Getzlaf, Richards, Carter, Giroux, all spent 2 years in the OHL after their draft, and even spent time in the AHL, so i'm sure if Bo is not ready CHL is still the best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 sestito is FROM utica, it's only natural he goes home to play this season. bye bye boxing hobo on skates. And honestly if the team feels the need part way through the season for a Sestito-like skill set, they can either recall Sestito, Archibald, Lain etc or sign/trade for plug. Waiving Sestito is not the loss some people are making it out to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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