alfstonker Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 8 hours ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: Skille and Chaput also created a tonne of chances that Gaunce failed to take advantage. I think he also failed to be close. A guy can be a complete package, but he needs results. That said, Messier got like 1 goal as a rookie. Anyway, this won't hurt Gaunce. I can't agree. Anyone reviewing Gaunce's games would see that he was over reverential to his senior line mates to a fault. So many times he got into scoring positions and passed. I don't know if it was lack of confidence or that he played with these players in Utica and looked up to them as vets. But to say his team mates gave him a ton of chances is I'm afraid off the mark imo. If this guy has a fault it is that he wants to find a team mate unless there is absolutely nothing else on - then he shows what a lethal finisher he can be. I think he needs to have the pass first attitude dialled further back by his coaches. I also think these clips show what an instinctive finisher he is - maybe he over-thought too much on his chances in Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 6 hours ago, VIC_CITY said: I was thinking about Vey the other night. I was definitely team Vey last year after hating him the year before. IMO he was one of our better set up men, he was very good at making plays off the side boards. I think a lot of the Vey hate last year was just because he was playing a bigger role than some people liked. But Megna and Chaput make Vey look like an all star. Man could I ever go for some LV right now. Can you guys just apologize to the man already and see if he'll take us back?? He also got a lot of our D out of trouble with his determined play in his own end. I liked Vey and always thought if he had been one of "ours" he would have got more appreciation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 5 hours ago, alfstonker said: He is fast, has good defensive instincts, competes well and despite what you say IS a good passer. Granted he has not been scoring but that is not quite as important on the 4th line. If he can copy Gaunce's performance (who also didn't score) I will think he will be doing a good job. I've nothing against Boucher, all I am saying is if he was anything special we would likely not have got him off waivers. I will hold my opinion until he has had 6/7 games. " Talent Analysis Megna is by all accounts a late-bloomer, having played in the USHL until he was 21 and playing one season of college hockey before signing an NHL entry-level contract. He possesses above average speed and skill and has shown to have good one-on-one abilities and soft hands in tight. He is a willing combatant in the corners. Read more at http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/jayson-megna/#Yq8Y99cHmXDjxHep.99 Maybe getting out of our zone, but no we was not effective passing, taking passes or scoring when used on the top 3 lines. As a 4th line guy, sure OK, he's got the classic "energy guy" qualifications other than fighting. Honestly i don't see why it has to be so controversial to swap other guys for Megna, he's not going to be the difference in a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 13 hours ago, Stelar said: For guys like Boucher and Corrado, there should be a rule that you have to play them within a certain amount of time after claiming them on waivers. Or send them down which would require waivers again. That's not gonna help those players stick with a team, it's gonna make it harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 13 hours ago, Fakename70 said: Actually, after 2 years, I still have yet to be convinced of that as it relates to him vs. Gaunce. But, I get it. Gaunce is young, whereas Archibald is considered a career minor leaguer at this point. Let's see how Gaunce responds then... But, as I said, I've still yet to be convinced. They would have signed him to a two-way if he was even a long-shot. My limited impression is that his skating is sub-NHL level. Maybe UticaHockey knows. (How do you mention?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: They would have signed him to a two-way if he was even a long-shot. My limited impression is that his skating is sub-NHL level. Maybe UticaHockey knows. (How do you mention?) @UticaHockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 13 hours ago, Crabcakes said: I hear a lot of talk about Willie and his favorites..... Seriously, Benning made the call on Gaunce. Why? Not developing. We all see that he does some good things but he's no better than he was months ago. Willie decides who of the 23 roster players get in on a given night but Benning decides who the 23 are. Sure there are discussions, but Big Jim makes the call. Gaunce, 22 has upside. We all want to see him get to the next level so off he goes to Utica. This is a good thing. Just like it was a good thing for Virtanen. What about Megna? 27 years old. Chaput? 24. Skille? 29.....they are what they are......depth. Fringe NHLers with no upside to speak of. Just fine on the 4th line or filling in for injured players when the options are limited. Boucher got 1 game and didn't look great and he admitted he wasn't playing well in an interview between periods. He's 23 so is there still upside? He potted 62 with Sarnia in the OHL in 2012-13 at age 19 but that was 4 years ago. 63 goals in 149 games in the AHL and 12 in 85 in the NHL. I really don't know but I expect he is depth as well. So these 4 are in the line up because the team doesn't have the depth up front. None of the young players in Utica are ready for prime time. If one of the young guys out competes one of the depth players for a spot then they are ready. This is the bar that Benning has set for Utica players to jump over. They have to show they are better than fringe players. Isn't this the way it should be? I'm glad there are players around who they can plug in while their prospects develop. Asset management. While I am at it, does anybody think that Larson or Biega are anything more than depth at this point? This guy gets it. Yeah Crab. There was a hope that Larsen had a little room to grow, but he's looking out of his league, literally. Biega is a classic depth guy, but of course he will improve a little bit, not in terms of fundamental skills, but definitely in terms of reads and savvy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 12 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: pretty sure Vey? Do we miss him now? Did you really not make a stink that they weren't playing Tryamkin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 12 hours ago, S'all Good Man said: I actually wanted us to re-sign Vey to a 2 way, 1 year extension. If he could play that well with all that personal crap going on i thought he deserved it. Don't tell Truck tho, he's got me "pegged" Sorry man, you're the spokesman for the whining herd. I don't make the rules. Glad that you can see how Vey could come in handy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Just now, WhoseTruckWasIt said: Sorry man, you're the spokesman for the whining herd. I don't make the rules. Glad that you can see how Vey could come in handy. Meh. You've got me saying things I've never said. And WIllie sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 11 hours ago, blackpluto96 said: You make some good points but boy do you come across as a bit of an know-it-all-pompous ass... I know, and I can live with that. It's a public service. Do you not get tired of the vapid echo chamber? I find that reading 10 variations on the same superficial comment kind of provokes me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 10 hours ago, Li'l Fra said: Sending down Gaunce? For real? Nobody would claim Megna, Chaput or Larsen if you waived them through...and if they did, so what. You've still got Boucher...Hell you could have had Etem. Gaunce was our top offensive player on the Comets last year playing all position on the 1st line. Yeah...you wouldn't want to put him in a position to succeed in the NHL. At this point I am in shock that I've been forced to watch Chaput, Megna, and Larsen all year on this team. A couple of AHL plug/fringe NHLers and a useless "offensive" defenceman who has no offence. Larsen is as bad as Rafael Diaz was. I'll give Skille a pass because he's chewing through rope and is actually doing alright. But I'd was rather see our real prospects than watch those other clowns prove over and over again how mediocre they are. Megna on the top line? How about Grenier, how about Virtanen, how about Gaunce for F sakes? Larsen? You know who has offensive upside? Subban! Could he really be that much worse defensively than Larsen? Not really. And he might actually help the offence a bit. The margin between winning and losing is very small for this team. These mind numbing coaching decisions are not helping and not providing much entertainment either. You nailed it. That answers your question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 6 hours ago, alfstonker said: I can't agree. Anyone reviewing Gaunce's games would see that he was over reverential to his senior line mates to a fault. So many times he got into scoring positions and passed. I don't know if it was lack of confidence or that he played with these players in Utica and looked up to them as vets. But to say his team mates gave him a ton of chances is I'm afraid off the mark imo. If this guy has a fault it is that he wants to find a team mate unless there is absolutely nothing else on - then he shows what a lethal finisher he can be. I think he needs to have the pass first attitude dialled further back by his coaches. I also think these clips show what an instinctive finisher he is - maybe he over-thought too much on his chances in Vancouver. It could well be that he's over-thinking it. That makes a tonne of sense. I was simply responding to Stawns' comment that he set up his teammates and they failed to finish. I'm saying that it went both ways. That line had enough shifts grinding down low that they should have had more goals. Gaunce has the equipment but doesn't make anything happen. It looks like a reasonable bet that he will one day, but for now it makes sense to send him down. I'm fine with the player, but the idea that he hasn't had opportunity is just laughable. Tell that to the HoneyBadger. You want a guy like this to force the issue, not ride on a free pass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fakename70 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: They would have signed him to a two-way if he was even a long-shot. My limited impression is that his skating is sub-NHL level. Maybe UticaHockey knows. (How do you mention?) Actually, he did sign one of those and played for the Canucks under Torts, remember? I can only assume he hasn't got the "stuff" Willie is looking for. But, as for how his 14+15 and +4 would translate to 4th line duties in the NHL, how can we really know unless he gets a look? Hence, my original comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 39 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Maybe getting out of our zone, but no we was not effective passing, taking passes or scoring when used on the top 3 lines. As a 4th line guy, sure OK, he's got the classic "energy guy" qualifications other than fighting. Honestly i don't see why it has to be so controversial to swap other guys for Megna, he's not going to be the difference in a game. I guess that's what's annoying. You write-off a guy with the assumption that any other fringe NHLer is just as good or better. That's debatable. And as I said, it's easy for you to say when your job's not on the line. If we played Boucher and lost you'd come back with the complaint that a guy needs 10 minutes to show what he can do. That's not the NHL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Fakename70 said: Actually, he did sign one of those and played for the Canucks under Torts, remember? I can only assume he hasn't got the "stuff" Willie is looking for. But, as for how his 14+15 and +4 would translate to 4th line duties in the NHL, how can we really know unless he gets a look? Hence, my original comment. That's what I mean. He had his audition a couple years ago and didn't make it. Neither coaching team is enamored with him, but he's still right in front of them. I think it's safe to assume that Benning would have signed him to a two-way if there was a shred of hope there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 20 minutes ago, Alflives said: @UticaHockey C'mon man, let me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 27 minutes ago, WhoseTruckWasIt said: They would have signed him to a two-way if he was even a long-shot. My limited impression is that his skating is sub-NHL level. Maybe UticaHockey knows. (How do you mention?) Darren Archibald has plenty of straight line speed and a surprisingly good wrist shot which he has scored on multiple times outside from the top of the circle while going toe to toe with the defender. He is heavy on the forecheck and goes hard to the net and is responsible in the defensive zone. Green even has Archie on the PK and has been very effective. Where his skating is an issue is lack of quickness. While he is fast once he gets going that quick, stop-turn-pivot isn't top end particularly since injuring his knee during the playoffs in 2015. Archie is a different player than he was a couple years ago and pretty much never fights anymore and has stepped up his overall game. He is currently tied for the lead on the Comets with 14 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 16 minutes ago, S'all Good Man said: Meh. You've got me saying things I've never said. And WIllie sucks. Yes, I've been known to do that. You left me hanging on our interrogation though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoseTruckWasIt Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, UticaHockey said: Darren Archibald has plenty of straight line speed and a surprisingly good wrist shot which he has scored on multiple times outside from the top of the circle while going toe to toe with the defender. He is heavy on the forecheck and goes hard to the net and is responsible in the defensive zone. Green even has Archie on the PK and has been very effective. Where his skating is an issue is lack of quickness. While he is fast once he gets going that quick, stop-turn-pivot isn't top end particularly since injuring his knee during the playoffs in 2015. Archie is a different player than he was a couple years ago and pretty much never fights anymore and has stepped up his overall game. He is currently tied for the lead on the Comets with 14 goals. Does he look like he can fill-in in the NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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