captaincowbasher Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Fortunately, the overhaul is almost finished. It started a couple of years ago with the Kesler trade, and will be complete when the Sedin's have retired. The hockey that we've witnessed between these points is nothing short of just plain terrible. Our team is devoid of any real superstar talent/skill or physical presence. Benning must address the skill first, by using the chips he has; grit and physical presence is much easier to add. The first thing that has to happen is a team needs to covet our Swiss army knife(Jannik Hansen), this guy has consistently been our best forward over the past few years, he scores, hits, kills powerplays, fights, fits the speed game that Pitt plays and is the consummate professional. I can seriously see the Penguins come asking for him. What a great pickup for the Penguins come playoff time, and it would only cost them their late first round pick. Both teams win... With that said, To Denver, Chris Tanev + 2017 1st(acquired from Pitt) + Granlund(his value has never been higher) for M.Duchene as far as cap this deal is almost a wash, and the Av's are happy as this meets their criteria for the asking price for Duchene; which is a top pair defender, 1st round pick and a good young player or good prospect. To Tampa Bay, Edler + 2017 1st for J.Drouin as far as cap, Canucks win and Tampa has about 7 mil to play with. Canucks appear to be giving up a lot; first pair defender and a very high first round pick, but consider that this years draft is weak and with the Canucks luck the lottery for draft order would fall to unfavorable results...But to get a potential superstar we need to give up this sort of bounty. I know this leaves us weaker on defence and without any first rounders in this years draft(remember its a weak draft) but look at our forward lineup and we dealt from an area that we are strong and potentially could be stronger with Juolevi coming. New look lines, DROUIN HORVAT DUSCHENE very speedy, talented and legit first line in this league BAERTSCHI SUTTER ERIKSSON good second line D.SEDIN H.SEDIN BURROWS good third line, we really need the Sedin's to hang them up, or request a trade. SKILLE CHAPUT MEGNA solid bottom trio HUTTON GUDBRANSON TRYAMKIN STECHER SBISA BEIGA we loose Sbisa in the expansion draft, but Juolevi will more than fill that spot next year. I also think Brisebois might be ready for a third line defence pairing. We might have one of the best young defence core in the league. With Boesser coming, I see him slotting into the second line RW spot, which moves Eriksson to the third line. I also think to make the Canuck team a true three line team, they should split the Sedins next year( if they are still here) so Henrik can distribute the puck to Baertschi and Boesser and Sutter can play between Daniel and Eriksson. When the Sedins are retired at the end of the 2017/2018 season, we focus on adding 2 power forwards, at which point Virtanen might be ready and we'll really only need one. Next years line up, DROUIN HORVAT DUSCHENE BAERTSCHI H.SEDIN BOESSER D.SEDIN SUTTER ERIKSSON SKILLE GAUNCE MEGNA HUTTON STECHER TRYAMKIN SUBBAN JUOLEVI GUBRANSON Thoughts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanGnome Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Not entirely sold on Drouin, and I don't think he's what we need given the Western Conference and the travel we endure. I'm also not that high on Duschene. I'd rather Benning were to target Landeskog and E. Kane. Sign Zach Aston-Reese. Landeskog - Horvat - Boesser Baertschi - Sutter - Kane Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson Aston-Reese - Gaunce - Virtanen I think that is a more balanced T9, and more capable of dealing with the rigours of the Canucks yearly travel schedule. Slot Virtanen into the 4th line with Gaunce and Aston-Reese to make a potent 4th line, which would almost immediately become your 3rd line once the Sedins retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dannydog Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I just look back a while when tanev and edler were both unavailable due to injury and in vision that all year long next season. Juolevi is playing in Utica next year. Give Benning this year to work on forwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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captaincowbasher Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 26 minutes ago, VanGnome said: Not entirely sold on Drouin, and I don't think he's what we need given the Western Conference and the travel we endure. I'm also not that high on Duschene. I'd rather Benning were to target Landeskog and E. Kane. Sign Zach Aston-Reese. Landeskog - Horvat - Boesser Baertschi - Sutter - Kane Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson Aston-Reese - Gaunce - Virtanen I think that is a more balanced T9, and more capable of dealing with the rigours of the Canucks yearly travel schedule. Slot Virtanen into the 4th line with Gaunce and Aston-Reese to make a potent 4th line, which would almost immediately become your 3rd line once the Sedins retire. No to Kane, often injured and we don't need another "Puck Hog", would be a terrible pick up by the Canucks for that reason alone, let alone he's a terrible teammate. Landeskog is a nice fit, for his physical presence, but be clear we need to upgrade skill more than anything, fast players who can handle and distribute the puck. Drouin is a potential superstar and Duschene is team Canada worthy. So obviously the two players I have suggested fit the Canucks needs more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 45 minutes ago, captaincowbasher said: we loose Sbisa in the expansion draft, but Juolevi will more than fill that spot next year. I also think Brisebois might be ready for a third line defence pairing. We might have one of the best young defence core in the league. dismissed entire proposal as soon as I saw you suggest Juolevi playing on the Canucks next season. Bad idea is Bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Sorry will do next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 Just now, NEON.KNEE said: dismissed entire proposal as soon as I saw you suggest Juolevi playing on the Canucks next season. Bad idea is Bad You'll see, makes team next year. Super poised with puck, he moves well, and instantly becomes our best outlet passer, which gets the forwards on the attack so much quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted February 12, 2017 Author Share Posted February 12, 2017 31 minutes ago, Dannydog said: I just look back a while when tanev and edler were both unavailable due to injury and in vision that all year long next season. Juolevi is playing in Utica next year. Give Benning this year to work on forwards. Please, Benning has already had a year to work on the forwards... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Just now, captaincowbasher said: You'll see, makes team next year. Super poised with puck, he moves well, and instantly becomes our best outlet passer, which gets the forwards on the attack so much quicker. I'm a huge OJ fan, and a huge fan of being positive...But I am positive that you are on glue my friend...and by the sounds of it, it's the good stuff too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I think that's a tad too much for Duchene, and they'd be more interested in Hutton since they need LD more. I don't mind the Drouin trade but I doubt Tampa would trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcasgonewild Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, captaincowbasher said: Fortunately, the overhaul is almost finished. It started a couple of years ago with the Kesler trade, and will be complete when the Sedin's have retired. The hockey that we've witnessed between these points is nothing short of just plain terrible. Our team is devoid of any real superstar talent/skill or physical presence. Benning must address the skill first, by using the chips he has; grit and physical presence is much easier to add. The first thing that has to happen is a team needs to covet our Swiss army knife(Jannik Hansen), this guy has consistently been our best forward over the past few years, he scores, hits, kills powerplays, fights, fits the speed game that Pitt plays and is the consummate professional. I can seriously see the Penguins come asking for him. What a great pickup for the Penguins come playoff time, and it would only cost them their late first round pick. Both teams win... With that said, To Denver, Chris Tanev + 2017 1st(acquired from Pitt) + Granlund(his value has never been higher) for M.Duchene as far as cap this deal is almost a wash, and the Av's are happy as this meets their criteria for the asking price for Duchene; which is a top pair defender, 1st round pick and a good young player or good prospect. To Tampa Bay, Edler + 2017 1st for J.Drouin as far as cap, Canucks win and Tampa has about 7 mil to play with. Canucks appear to be giving up a lot; first pair defender and a very high first round pick, but consider that this years draft is weak and with the Canucks luck the lottery for draft order would fall to unfavorable results...But to get a potential superstar we need to give up this sort of bounty. I know this leaves us weaker on defence and without any first rounders in this years draft(remember its a weak draft) but look at our forward lineup and we dealt from an area that we are strong and potentially could be stronger with Juolevi coming. New look lines, DROUIN HORVAT DUSCHENE very speedy, talented and legit first line in this league BAERTSCHI SUTTER ERIKSSON good second line D.SEDIN H.SEDIN BURROWS good third line, we really need the Sedin's to hang them up, or request a trade. SKILLE CHAPUT MEGNA solid bottom trio HUTTON GUDBRANSON TRYAMKIN STECHER SBISA BEIGA we loose Sbisa in the expansion draft, but Juolevi will more than fill that spot next year. I also think Brisebois might be ready for a third line defence pairing. We might have one of the best young defence core in the league. With Boesser coming, I see him slotting into the second line RW spot, which moves Eriksson to the third line. I also think to make the Canuck team a true three line team, they should split the Sedins next year( if they are still here) so Henrik can distribute the puck to Baertschi and Boesser and Sutter can play between Daniel and Eriksson. When the Sedins are retired at the end of the 2017/2018 season, we focus on adding 2 power forwards, at which point Virtanen might be ready and we'll really only need one. Next years line up, DROUIN HORVAT DUSCHENE BAERTSCHI H.SEDIN BOESSER D.SEDIN SUTTER ERIKSSON SKILLE GAUNCE MEGNA HUTTON STECHER TRYAMKIN SUBBAN JUOLEVI GUBRANSON Thoughts... I'm good with the Hansen trade everything else not really. And that's not cuz it's a bad trade but because I don't like duchene. And in the expansion draft we could protect Sbisa and guddy and who ever else since Tanev and Edler are gone btw. I'm my opinion Edler Hansen Burrows Miller And Tanev could be traded. Edler Hansen Tanev would get us a great return possibly picks and prospects. It would defiantly help our team. I think we need to fire willie and hire Claude Julian too since he'd fit just like a puzzle piece Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcasgonewild Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 30 minutes ago, NEON.KNEE said: I'm a huge OJ fan, and a huge fan of being positive...But I am positive that you are on glue my friend...and by the sounds of it, it's the good stuff too. Elmers maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orcasgonewild Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 I don't think we should trade for duchene and landeskog. We need someone younger and if we do then we are getting rid of players that when sold can give prospect and picks. If rather just sell and gradually get younger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 hour ago, VanGnome said: Not entirely sold on Drouin, and I don't think he's what we need given the Western Conference and the travel we endure. I'm also not that high on Duschene. I'd rather Benning were to target Landeskog and E. Kane. Sign Zach Aston-Reese. Landeskog - Horvat - Boesser Baertschi - Sutter - Kane Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson Aston-Reese - Gaunce - Virtanen I think that is a more balanced T9, and more capable of dealing with the rigours of the Canucks yearly travel schedule. Slot Virtanen into the 4th line with Gaunce and Aston-Reese to make a potent 4th line, which would almost immediately become your 3rd line once the Sedins retire. Kane and Landeskog are both LW don't think either of them has ever played on the right side (could be wrong though) On Kane i'd wait for him to be UFA, on Landeskog what are you giving up for him? way too much. Also this hurts us big time on the expansion exposure as we will still need to expose Baertschi... This TDL and offseason (pre-expansion) is too complicated to add core pieces which is why at the TDL we will need to trade Hansen or Granlund, 1 of the exposure Dmen and any pending UFAs (burrows, etc) and proceed as status quo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, goblix said: Also this hurts us big time on the expansion exposure as we will still need to expose Baertschi... This TDL and offseason (pre-expansion) is too complicated to add core pieces which is why at the TDL we will need to trade Hansen or Granlund, 1 of the exposure Dmen and any pending UFAs (burrows, etc) and proceed as status quo. You do realize that Jim Benning is our GM and the President of the hockey club wants to stay competitive, right? There will be zero activity for the Canucks again this season at the TDL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 1 minute ago, NEON.KNEE said: You do realize that Jim Benning is our GM and the President of the hockey club wants to stay competitive, right? There will be zero activity for the Canucks again this season at the TDL why are you in the proposal section if you believe that? did you just come in here to say this on every thread in this section? Leave your slander and crystal balling on the curb please and thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEON.KNEE Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 5 minutes ago, goblix said: why are you in the proposal section if you believe that? did you just come in here to say this on every thread in this section? Leave your slander and crystal balling on the curb please and thank you I'm sorry? I'll play too then, if you're going to be so salty. The Canucks trade Miller, and Burrows to LA at the Deadline for Pearson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblix Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Just now, NEON.KNEE said: I'm sorry? I'll play too then, if you're going to be so salty. The Canucks trade Miller, and Burrows to LA at the Deadline for Pearson not overly salty, just does it provide anything to the conversation? LA won't be trading Tanner Pearson, he'll be highly useful in their playoff push, also wouldn't want to add another expansion contract to expose // protect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, goblix said: why are you in the proposal section if you believe that? did you just come in here to say this on every thread in this section? Leave your slander and crystal balling on the curb please and thank you Slander? My issue with this thread is it suggests a rebuild is occurring. It's actually a retool, where the roster is turned over. JB has brought in a bunch of 24 - 31 year old players, who (he hoped) could compete for the playoffs, and support the Twins. The tear down rebuild will begin when the Twins are gone in 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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